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Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

First, sorry about posting this as a new thread... tried the search function but didn't find an answer.

With the 2014 coming out, I was hoping some diesel people could post about the pros and cons of a diesel for daily use. I know very little about diesel engines and have never driven one, and I'm currently trying to decide between the 3 available engines.

I live in Colorado and my daily commute involves about 60 miles round trip. My family and closest friends are in Chicagoland, with a few scattered throughout the country, so I usually do at least 1, sometimes 2, long roadtrips each year. I will also be using the GC on forest service roads and the Colorado backcountry to get out to good hikes, climbs, camping, snowboarding, etc, though I won't be doing anything near as crazy as I've done with my JK (trading it).

I've considered all three engines. The V6 with the 8-speed may provide enough power, and certainly gets good MPG. The Hemi, well it's a Hemi, and it sounds like the power the on highway would be great, the torque offroad would be good, and the MPGs aren't too bad.

Now the diesel sounds like the perfect mix. Good power on the highway, great torque offroad (I don't own any toys to tow), and great MPGs. However, I am completely ignorant of diesels, so some practical questions:

How PITA is the who urea thing?

It gets cold here sometimes. Will a diesel engine with remote start actually warm up in my driveway? Is warming up a diesel engine before driving any different than a gas engine?

Does that black smoke happen with all diesels? My experience with diesel is always some dude in a F-350 blowing thick clouds of black smoke down the entrance ramp. I would be mortified if my vehicle did that. I'm all for rugged but I have a suit-wearing job and black clouds of smoke would be unacceptable to me.

Are there any other weird quirks to owning a diesel? Diesel intrigues me, but I'm at a point in life where I'd rather pay someone else to work on my vehicles. I just want something that gets me to work in comfort and style, gets me roadtrips without breaking the bank on gas, gets me down a forest service road without complaint, and does well at altitude.

I'm hoping that modern diesels are mostly behind the scenes, as in the experience of driving one isn't much different than driving a gasoline vehicle, except with gobs and gobs of torque.

So basically, what's it like day to day driving a diesel that's different than a gasoline engine?

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

From what you have stated about your situation and needs I would say that the diesel is the one for you. You will have the best performance through the elevation changes as well as the best mileage. The new generation diesels don't blow black smoke and they don't have the same choking smell to them either.

If you know how to fill your windshield washer reservoir you can fill the DEF (Diesel Emission Fluid) tank. I don't recall for sure how often it needs to be filled but not very frequently (10,000 miles?)

I hope that helps.
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I live in Colorado and my daily commute involves about 60 miles round trip. My family and closest friends are in Chicagoland, with a few scattered throughout the country, so I usually do at least 1, sometimes 2, long roadtrips each year. I will also be using the GC on forest service roads and the Colorado backcountry to get out to good hikes, climbs, camping, snowboarding, etc, though I won't be doing anything near as crazy as I've done with my JK (trading it).
For long distance highway, the diesel would be your best bet. For playing around in the hills and such, honestly, anything is fine. The Torque form the diesel will be an advantage for slow, deliberate climbing and such, but, with the hill descent/ascent control the other two should be fine as well (they will just rev higher).

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I've considered all three engines. The V6 with the 8-speed may provide enough power, and certainly gets good MPG. The Hemi, well it's a Hemi, and it sounds like the power the on highway would be great, the torque offroad would be good, and the MPGs aren't too bad.
For pure, honest, day to day driving, you'd be hard pressed to see a huge difference between the MPG of the V6 and the CRD. The CRD will be better, but it won't be Earth shattering better then the V6. It will be quite a bit better than the V8 though.

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How PITA is the who urea thing?
As the other poster has pointed out, it's no more difficult then putting washer fluid/oil, or fuel in your rig.

You will need to top off *roughly* every oil change (5-7k miles).

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It gets cold here sometimes. Will a diesel engine with remote start actually warm up in my driveway? Is warming up a diesel engine before driving any different than a gas engine?
Diesels will not warm up as fast. A Petrol engine is less efficient, and thusly, turns more of the fuel into heat. A Diesel, is more efficient, and will take longer to warm up.

That being said, invest in the heated seats and steering wheel, and you will be fine. She'll warm up quick enough.

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Does that black smoke happen with all diesels? My experience with diesel is always some dude in a F-350 blowing thick clouds of black smoke down the entrance ramp.
No, a good solid, modern diesel engine will not do that. Those engines are the Cummin's and are, well.. a much older design. To get an idea of what to expect, go to either a VW, BMW, or a Mercdes Benz dealer and check out either a Toureg, X5 35d, or GL 350BluTech.

They are all diesel CRD engines using similar transmissions. You will get a feel for the acceleration, handling, and exhaust you could expect from the Jeep (at about half the cost).

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Do the maintenance as laid out by the manufacturer. Diesels are tough, but if you miss a maintenance window, you will be sorry.

Some modern diesels have issues with the fuel pumps literally coming apart in the system (causing bad juju), however, they are, relatively speaking, corner cases.

Lastly, for the love of God and all things Holy... don't put gasoline in it. Doing so will require a MASSIVE amount of work to correct.

Other than those... it's just like a petrol engine, but... more torque.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

First thing you should do is go to the dealership you'd have your Jeep serviced at. Ask them how much they'd charge you to change the spark plugs in a CRD Jeep. If they give you a quote, don't consider buying a diesel.

A HUGE portion of WK1 CRDs were destroyed by incompetent service departments.
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First thing you should do is go to the dealership you'd have your Jeep serviced at. Ask them how much they'd charge you to change the spark plugs in a CRD Jeep. If they give you a quote, don't consider buying a diesel.
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OMG.. that's awesome. I'll have to remember that.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Get the CRD!

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Yep no contest
CRD diesel the only way to go
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I think I'm convinced. It was the way I originally intended to go as soon as I heard about it, but then I talked myself out of it due to my unfamiliarity with diesel and horror stories of people being unable to get factory warranty work done b/c dealerships didn't have any techs.

Hopefully the latter doesn't happen again, but I think you've talked me into taking the plunge. It does seem the best fit, and it'll be something new and exciting if nothing else.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I've thought about trading in my 2012 V8 for one in a year or so... But I'm worried about cold starts and frozen urea (-22f here this week).. I was reminded that you pretty much can't warm up a diesel at idle, so why have remote start??

30mpg would be nice on hwy, but frankly, I'd need to own one for over 100,000 miles just to make the price difference up with gas. And there's NO WAY the diesel will perform like the hemi. Sorry, it won't.

I would consider the new diesel now if I was in the market.

The only other thing I've heard from people (and this may sound silly...) is that their spouses don't like to pump the fuel because it is a mess. But at 600 miles per tank, when would they have to?
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From what the export diesel owners say they have a supplemental heater just for warming the cabin.

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Don't know where you are located, but this isn't an issue anymore here in Oz. Most modern fuel stations are fine. And my local servo still has driveway service!!!
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I was reminded that you pretty much can't warm up a diesel at idle, so why have remote start??
as Hacksaw would say - "think outside the box".

Remote start can also be used for COOLING.
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