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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

In Europe only very few people buy a gasoline powered SUV (or big car, except for sporty ones), majority of them buying Porsche Cayenne.
Real MPG are very different from published, also because traffic conditions in EU roads don't allow a constant-speed drive as usual in US highways. Here is more a stop-and-go drive...
Real high performance cars are also sold with diesel engines, like latest BMWs and MBs
That's because (I owned a gas 3.0 Lexus RX350) that real medium mpg is (considering mixed commuting use) around 26 mpg with the JGC and 13/14 with a gas 3.0 engine.
Gas cars here are small city cars for the majority.
Diesel fuel cost less than gas, too. Here in Italy we probably get the most expensive price in Europe: at today change rate, diesel is $8 per gallon and gas is $8,5.
So there is no choice other than diesel.
Furthermore, drive is real more enjoying: the max torque at very low RPM gives you the full power of the engine immediately, at the first light press of throttle pedal, giving you the sensation of a hand pushing you on the back, while with a gas car you need to raise RPM very much to get full power, and this happens very rarely due to traffic and the way drivers usually behave.
When I had the Lexus, it was very annoying to perceive the lacking-power sensation at low throttle, than wait the lag for gear down.
Really another ride...
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Old 06-04-2012, 08:37 PM
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

Our testing cycles here in the US are insane. The EPA basically drives like a pissed off teenager with a brick taped to their shoe (aka like most Americans).

I'd be impressed if it had better power delivery than the Hemi. The Hemi is smooth and powerful at all times, and moves the GC around effortlessly.

I'd think the CRD would be a good engine, with most of the driveability of the V8 without the mpg penalty. Really wish they had introduced the CRD at launch of the WK2.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

I owned a CRD jeep liberty and it was nothing but problems! I had to eventually just get rid of it due to multiple problems with engine hesitation, check engine lights, and engine shutting off. Not to mention you will pay a hefty premium for the diesel option and here in Virginia diesel is approx. .40 cents per gallon higher! In my experience with a jetta diesel and a jeep diesel.....leave the diesels to the Germans.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

I am getting over 1,000klms between full tanks. Best is 8.4Ltrs per 100klms.
Can't complain about that.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

FAUEE,

Well said! I'm one of those who keeps his vehicle for 10+ years. Currently, 2002 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer with 137K w/small V8. This is what I did when I analyized the data / price premium!
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

FWIW, I just did a quick calculation for my dad who's looking for a new vehicle. This was on used vehicles, but new ones could still apply with tweaks. But spending $31k for a GC V6 2WD vs 37k for a Touareg TDI, he would have to drive 690k miles on it to make up the price difference with today's fuel prices. He does a lot of miles, but not that many miles. Even if he were to get a 4x4 V8 and try to make up a 5k difference, it would be 210k miles to do so. Note that both of those calculations are using 89 octane fuel, if you use regular in the calculation it goes into the millions of miles for the v6, and 300k+ for the v8.

If the US were to fix the issue with diesel being so absurdly priced compared to regular gas they could be a great option.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

Hi Fauee,

Just out of interest, how much is the price difference between diesel and gas in the US?

In Sydney, 91 unleaded can swing between $1.20 and $1.52 litre within 10 days, but diesel is usually pretty steady at around $1.48.
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Hi Fauee,

Just out of interest, how much is the price difference between diesel and gas in the US?

In Sydney, 91 unleaded can swing between $1.20 and $1.52 litre within 10 days, but diesel is usually pretty steady at around $1.48.
It depends on the station here, but right now regular is about $3.20 a gallon, and diesel is about $3.90 - the midgrade that the Hemi requires is about $3.35 or so.

Diesel doesn't seem to be appreciably more stable in the US, the price fluctuations of gasoline tend to also spill over into diesel.
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It depends on the station here, but right now regular is about $3.20 a gallon, and diesel is about $3.90 - the midgrade that the Hemi requires is about $3.35 or so.

Diesel doesn't seem to be appreciably more stable in the US, the price fluctuations of gasoline tend to also spill over into diesel.
Whereas, near my house in Chandler, AZ regular unleaded and diesel BOTH are $3.38 right now. So price differences between the two appear to be regional too.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

So that equates to about just over a us$1 a litre. That's practically giving it away.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

This morning in NYC regular was $3.49 and diesel was $3.89, but this literally can vary from block to block.
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Whereas, near my house in Chandler, AZ regular unleaded and diesel BOTH are $3.38 right now. So price differences between the two appear to be regional too.
I would have a fleet of diesels if it cost the same as regular here, lol.
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