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Old 07-03-2012, 07:22 PM
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

I went and filled up yesterday, and found premium diesel down to $1.38 per litre. So it lost 10c/litre since I last filled.

I have now done just under 1200kms in it, and in total have only had to put in $120 worth of diesel since buying it a month ago. My old MY00 Holden Jackaroo V6 (aka Isuzu Trooper for our US friends) would have used about $320 of unleaded for the same distance.

Putting aside purchase cost of the GC, I can expect to save $2400 over the course of a year just in fuel compared to keeping the Jackaroo.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

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The diesel will launch as a 2014 model. Production is scheduled to start as early as February 2013.
Milous, would you know if the diesel model will have the added chemical DEF I believe its called, Thanks, Roadmaster45
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

Big question is can the owner add the piss and reprogram or does it have to done at the dealer. Ask your friends who own BMW and Mercedes current diesels how much they are being charged for a urea service. And you need to monitor the urea or your vehicle goes into limp home mode. You may or may not get 8k between fill ups.

Another big difference between the EU and UK and US is in the US we dont subsidize diesel as a fuel through tax breaks etc. Not sure if the do this Australia and NZ.

Diesel sells for as much or more than premium in the US depending on the time of year. i dont think unless things really change big time in next 100 days that you will see Congress passing any tax breaks for diesel fuel etc. marketplace should rule and not govt unlike in socialist EU and UK.

So unlike the EU, UK etc diesel may not have any advantage in the US.
Also remember the EPA is on the warpath against small particulant(sic) pollution in the US.
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:08 PM
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

On the subject of particulates, I have never observed any smoke coming from my GC's exhaust even with the throttle to the floor. I know it's only 5 weeks old and 1300kms, but I would have expected to see some soot when driven heavily. Also there's no soot deposits on the exhaust tips.

Are the other diesel GC owners experiencing the same?

On the subject of tax breaks in Aus for diesel, there isnt any that I know of. Depending on the cyclic movement of petrol prices, diesel can cost the same or less than 98 RON fuel, but it is dearer than 91.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

The Jeep CRD is the first car that I ever owned where part of the cleaning regime is to wipe out the inside of the exhaust tips. Not once has there been black residue.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

I can see several export CRD owners buying that badge from the USA to bling up our cars.
Milous you did not answer about the Urea for the USA spec ones. I would be surprised if it did as the motor meets all the latest emission requirements.
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:46 AM
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

After picking up the GC today from it's one month check, I got my wife and son to follow me home and watch for any exhaust soot.

Floored it a few times and they saw nothing come out.

Interestingly after the check, the transmission is shifting much more readily and feels sharper.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

I know that on the VW touareg they have issues with their system, it would say that they need adblue when tank is full also it would shut car down when tank is full I am going to wait for diesel GC hoping that it is a good system if it should require the piss
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

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FWIW, I just did a quick calculation for my dad who's looking for a new vehicle. This was on used vehicles, but new ones could still apply with tweaks. But spending $31k for a GC V6 2WD vs 37k for a Touareg TDI, he would have to drive 690k miles on it to make up the price difference with today's fuel prices. He does a lot of miles, but not that many miles. Even if he were to get a 4x4 V8 and try to make up a 5k difference, it would be 210k miles to do so. Note that both of those calculations are using 89 octane fuel, if you use regular in the calculation it goes into the millions of miles for the v6, and 300k+ for the v8.
Not quite sure how you are doing your math.

I did some quick number crunching.

The current 3.0L CRD available in the EU and Oceana is rated at 23 City/33 Highway with a combined cycle rating of 28MPG.

The V6 (currently available everywhere) is rated at 16 City/23 Highway with a combined cycle of 19MPG.

The V8 is rated at 13 City/20 Highway with a combined cycle of 15MPG.

Fuel prices in the area near me are currently $3.97/Gal of Regular Unleaded and $4.49/Gal of Diesel.

With all of these assumptions I cranked out the following:

Annual Fuel estimated costs (20k miles per year):
V6: $4,178.95
V8: $5,293.33
CRD: $3,207.14

I'd expect the CRD engine to be in line, pricewise with the V8 Hemi option (around $2,200). With that in mind, the CRD would pay for itself in about a year.

Diesel in general runs around 10-15% more per gallon than Regular Unleaded, however, a Diesel engine typically runs 30+% more efficient than a like petrol based engine.

To actually wipe out the efficiency difference in my example, Diesel would have to cost upwards of $5.15 per gallon (more so on the CRD as it's running 32% more efficient than the V6 and 46% more efficient than the V8 on the combined cycle).

So, again, not sure where you came up with 600,000+ miles, maybe the Touareg gets utterly horrid MPG... dunno.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

diesel in cananda right now is 1.13 a litre compared to 1.25 for gas. little better numbers here!
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

Well, I decided to look up the Volkswagen Touareg 2 (2012 model year) TDI edition.

And yeah, the MPG on those things is horrid for a diesel, 19 City/28 Highway and 22MPG on the combined cycle.

So... yeah, you will never really make up the cost of the TDI VW over the V6 GC.

However, I would not use them as a basis for comparison against all diesels.

It will come down to gearing ratios. Alot of non-sedan diesels in the US are geared for towing, not for fuel economy.

The new CRD GC looks quite promising though, especially after you throw in the 8 speed transmission. With such a narrow power band, diesels excell with more gears to select from.

You will probably see a greater increase in fuel economy on the CRD with the 8 speed than you will see in the petrol powered version.
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