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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

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I'd expect the CRD engine to be in line, pricewise with the V8 Hemi option (around $2,200). With that in mind, the CRD would pay for itself in about a year.
I'm afraid this may be optimistic unfortunately. With the 2007 Grand Cherokees, the 3.0 CRD was a $3,700 option although it did include Quadra-Drive and Front- and Rear-ELSDs. That was a M-B sourced diesel so there's a chance this VM unit will be cheaper, but I'll be surprised if it's less that $3,000.

In terms of end of service life total cost to own, the CRD may show benefit if you own it long enough. But the pleasure of diesel driving characteristics are worth all along.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

In Australia the CRD is the same price as the Hemi. I would expect a similar story in the USA when it is released.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

Is there a difference between Diesel fuel sold in the US and Europe?
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:45 AM
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

Diesel fuel gets hammered price wise in Australia as well but its still a better deal, power, economy, reliability

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Big question is can the owner add the piss and reprogram or does it have to done at the dealer. Ask your friends who own BMW and Mercedes current diesels how much they are being charged for a urea service. And you need to monitor the urea or your vehicle goes into limp home mode. You may or may not get 8k between fill ups.

Another big difference between the EU and UK and US is in the US we dont subsidize diesel as a fuel through tax breaks etc. Not sure if the do this Australia and NZ.

Diesel sells for as much or more than premium in the US depending on the time of year. i dont think unless things really change big time in next 100 days that you will see Congress passing any tax breaks for diesel fuel etc. marketplace should rule and not govt unlike in socialist EU and UK.

So unlike the EU, UK etc diesel may not have any advantage in the US.
Also remember the EPA is on the warpath against small particulant(sic) pollution in the US.
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No it is not.
Petrol and Diesel are taxes the same, it is the petroleum market that dictates they price variance.
That's right. Most diesel is consumed by the large mining and transport companies. They are able to buy large volumes at negotiated contract rates squeezing margins to the minimum so we street users have to pay high margins to make up company profits.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

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Is there a difference between Diesel fuel sold in the US and Europe?
If I recall, Sulfur content is/was the primary difference.
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Re: Is the diesel JGC worth the wait?

I understand that since 2006, diesel sold in the US has to be ultra-low sulphur content. which is capped at 15ppm. Euro V now specifies 10ppm max, so not a big difference anymore.

The main difference used to be that US diesel was 500ppm sulphur, and that prevented european diesel engines being sold in the US.
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Well, I was waiting for the WK2 diesel in the U.S., but no longer. I sold my wife's '08 WK Overland and am going to order her a 2013 Porsche Cayenne diesel. I was hoping I could get away with the nice price of a Jeep, but she test drove a Cayenne and its all over. Maybe I will have to get a WK2 diesel in a few years as my daily driver/off road mod vehicle, which will allow me to turn the ISF into a weekend/track car. Either way, it has been a great experience following the progress of the WK2 diesel on this site...the knowledge here and the flawless "what's coming from Jeep" from Milous were great. If it had come a little sooner I might have been able to convince my wife to get one. I will probably check back now and again to see what's up, but until then...cheers. Too bad Jeep has dragged it's feet so long to get the diesel here.
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