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Old 03-18-2013, 09:26 AM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Hi,

and many greetz from Germany.
I own a GC 2012 Overland CRD too and now after approx. 11000km
i am very happy with my decision.

Ok, here in Europe the Diesel ist a few thousand Euros cheaper then the Hemi
and gas pricing is different too, Diesel is about 20 Cent cheaper per liter.

Fuel consumption is great about 9L/100km, .... so about 26mpg !!!
...and if you are cruising on highway or freeway with about 110 km/h (65 miles)
you can reach Your 30mpg easily.

Engine is running very well and powerful.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Assuming diesel engine cost over v6 is 4500, and over HEMI 2500 (just estimates) with 12000 miles driven in 1 year and estimated fuel costs based on NJ estimates... just a quick math, nothing scientific...
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:35 PM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Hi,

but the V6 will never make 24mpg .... i tested it here in germany too,
it consumed about 13-16 liters/100km ... (european driving style) - about
14-18mpg .... and the v8 consumes a lot more.

just try it
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:50 PM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

I tried a spreadsheet similar to Dabitz to see how my condition would fare (high mileage 25k a year, mostly all highway miles). I put the CRD mph up a little and gas mpg down a little lower since conventional wisdom is that the CRD could exceed EPA and gas under perform.

If my numbers are off let me know and I'll recalc.

The compare for me was 2 years to recover the increase over the V8. V6 is much longer but I'm not sure the driving experience of the V6 gas would be much fun (under-powered?) and compare well against the CRD or V8.
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Hi,

i think the only logic comparison
is between v8 and crd , the v6 is really
nothing special, slow and quite high gas
consumption.

But I can only speak from european
point of view as we have different gas
pricing and high taxes on engines
with high co2 emission like v6 or v8.

Maybe we are more diesel approved here




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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Average of 19 mpg for the HEMI must be a joke, right? I don't understand where you guys are getting your math from but the more you drive only benefits the diesel in the long run. You guys need to see the whole picture and stop computing just the difference in price between motors.

The values I put in this spreadsheet are very conservative and somehow benefit the gas motors (gas/diesel $0.50 difference). Yet the CRD still comes on top of the HEMI. Conclusion: if you need a commuter and do not tow the V6 is clearly the best choice. If you tow, the CRD seems to be the best choice. If you like to waste gas go for the HEMI. If you like performance then SRT is the answer.

Base value for V6 was $50,000, for HEMI $52,000, and for CRD $54,500. Sales tax of 5% on all three types of vehicle.



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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

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Hi,

and many greetz from Germany.
I own a GC 2012 Overland CRD too and now after approx. 11000km
i am very happy with my decision.

Ok, here in Europe the Diesel ist a few thousand Euros cheaper then the Hemi
and gas pricing is different too, Diesel is about 20 Cent cheaper per liter.

Fuel consumption is great about 9L/100km, .... so about 26mpg !!!
...and if you are cruising on highway or freeway with about 110 km/h (65 miles)
you can reach Your 30mpg easily.

Engine is running very well and powerful.


That being the most important factor to consider, we should all heed the lesson ...


... and all move to Germany and buy a diesel.


I don't know much about the diesel, but my sister lived in Germany for a few years and really liked it.



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Careful with comparisons with UK/ European mpg. Our gallon is bigger than US (about the only thing that is!!&#128515 by about 20%.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

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Heres my real life experience with diesel engines espescielly the new ones....i had a 2006 dodge ram 3500 with the diesel engine, before the dpf and egr systems of today i was averaging 15 mpg in the city and 22-25 on the highway in factory form, when i installed 35 inch tires and lift kit it brought it down to 13 and 21-23 highway. Last september i purchased a new 3500 and am now averaging 9-10 in the city and the best i ever got on the highway was 14-15 mpg. It is completely stock. The only reason i am keepin it is because i tow my 32' race car trailer with it and i have a farm up north in wisconsin with horses and horse trailer etc. If you do not need to tow or drive long distances i would not buy the diesel. I also own a fleet of semi trucks, our older tractors (pre egr) get 7-8 mpg and our newer ones get 5-6. The engines run alot hotter because of the egrs weve had to overhaul engines after 3 years because of piston rings actually hardening and scratching grooves in the cylinder walls. Overhauls with non egr engines 1 million miles the new engines 350-400k miles, hope this helps in your decision...
Thank you! Such real world information is very helpful. Have you considered running your highway tractors on GNG or LPG?
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We dont have the capability to run our tractors on lpg, etc. I know that in Europe everyon does Lpg conversions on their older vehicles, but they have filling stations also, we dont unfortunately.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

I'm confused by all of the cost comparisons. The factor that keeps getting ignored is resale value.

Its kind of a wild card.

If the CRD ends up being junk at 100K miles...then it would be a loss. BUT I assume it's going to be a good motor (VM seems to be a good company with a quality product) and will actually have a higher resale value than then gas motors.

I see this like getting 4wd vs. 2wd. Even if you don't need it...if you can pay for it upfront you are going to get a lot of it back when sold.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:32 AM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Hi,

if you like to modify the CRD with a little chip tuning from O.CT
you have about 275hp and over 610nm.
This tuning is certified by Jeep, so you won't lose warranty.
With this on board you are quicker then the hemi

but even without any tuning ....
- v8 8,6 sec 0-100km/h
- crd 8,2 sec 0-100km/h

.... but you guys there in the US are not allowed to drive really quick on highways
like we here in germany, what a pity .... NO LIMIT

dont worry, the diesel will take a lot more then only 100000km or miles.
i think it is just the missing experience with diesel engines in the usa. just something new.
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