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Old 03-19-2013, 09:36 AM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Okay, point me to where I can get that chip?

Never mind... Found it!

http://www.oct-tuning.com/index.php?...mid=38&lang=en
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

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I'm confused by all of the cost comparisons. The factor that keeps getting ignored is resale value.

Its kind of a wild card.

If the CRD ends up being junk at 100K miles...then it would be a loss. BUT I assume it's going to be a good motor (VM seems to be a good company with a quality product) and will actually have a higher resale value than then gas motors.

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Agree it's a bit of a wildcard but I think history of other manufacturers seem to show diesel fare better on resale then same car with gas.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Diesel engines are not new, but EGR on them is. If they will go 350,000 to 400,000 miles like the big highway engines with EGR before rebuilding, there is not a problem. However, I doubt the passenger vehicle engines are built as heavily as the the big truck engines, so we are left with a big unknown on durability. Of course, removing/disabling EGR, cow pee injection, and such is another approach, as the engine should then be just as durable as what the people in Europe, Australia, and so forth have been experiencing. How hard would it be to remove or disable all of that stuff? By the way, California does not start emissions inspections until a vehicle is four years old.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:00 AM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Hi,

@chivalry
go and get it.... you will wonder how punchy a diesel engine can be
....without consuming more diesel at all.

dont worry, the diesel is a very stable machine !
....and long distance driving is exactly what a diesel engine likes.

i dont know, but here in europe the diesel is about 6000 eur cheaper then the v8,
and it only needs every 20000km a small service and every 40000km a big one.
the hemi needs every 12000km or 24000km services.

you will see, after testing a diesel you will be happy to have one.
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@chivalry
go and get it.... you will wonder how punchy a diesel engine can be
....without consuming more diesel at all.

dont worry, the diesel is a very stable machine !
....and long distance driving is exactly what a diesel engine likes.

i dont know, but here in europe the diesel is about 6000 eur cheaper then the v8,
and it only needs every 20000km a small service and every 40000km a big one.
the hemi needs every 12000km or 24000km services.

you will see, after testing a diesel you will be happy to have one.
Here in the States the diesel is about $2500 more expensive than the V8 and diesel fuel costs more per gallon than gas as well. Doesn't matter. I want the diesel for the power combined with the miles per gallon.

Once I can actually order it then it will take another 6-8 weeks before I get it so I'm not in a hurry to get the chip but it is VERY interesting to know it is there and I have noted the address for future reference.Vielen Dank!!
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Just got gas at lunch time at an Exxon station here in Northern NJ, regular gas $3.45, Diesel $3.95. Damn!
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

In Australia, the diesel engine is the same price as the V8.
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Diesel engines are not new, but EGR on them is. If they will go 350,000 to 400,000 miles like the big highway engines with EGR before rebuilding, there is not a problem. However, I doubt the passenger vehicle engines are built as heavily as the the big truck engines, so we are left with a big unknown on durability. Of course, removing/disabling EGR, cow pee injection, and such is another approach, as the engine should then be just as durable as what the people in Europe, Australia, and so forth have been experiencing. How hard would it be to remove or disable all of that stuff? By the way, California does not start emissions inspections until a vehicle is four years old.
Australia and Europe Already Have EGR on our passenger diesels and have had for 10 years +.
Europe has had urea injection on some diesels @5 years now .
In Australia (with EGR ) our diesels are still getting big miles 100,000's +), with no or very little engine troubles!, certainly less problems than petrol/gas motors !.
The USA is 10-15 years behind the rest of the world when it comes to passenger Diesels.
Why won't you listen to those of us (in Aus and Europe) who have had MODERN diesels for many years, these modern turbo diesels produce lots of power, HUGE torque, are Very drivable in city and highway, Very economical, and provide many many years and many 100,000mi of trouble free driving. (With the current emissions controls ).
I am speaking from experience, I am an ex mechanic, and have owned, driven and worked on Modern Diesels for over 15 years now, I see no reason to buy a petrol over a diesel for performance and reliability !.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

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Hi,

if you like to modify the CRD with a little chip tuning from O.CT
you have about 275hp and over 610nm.
This tuning is certified by Jeep, so you won't lose warranty.
With this on board you are quicker then the hemi

but even without any tuning ....
- v8 8,6 sec 0-100km/h
- crd 8,2 sec 0-100km/h

.... but you guys there in the US are not allowed to drive really quick on highways
like we here in germany, what a pity .... NO LIMIT

dont worry, the diesel will take a lot more then only 100000km or miles.
i think it is just the missing experience with diesel engines in the usa. just something new.
The diesel seems like a great engine, and I would love to have one but I think I am going to go with the V8. Most of my driving is short distances (3 mile commute to work) and the occasional long distance trip. The short trips will be brutal on the turbocharger, and will not be good for the DPF either.

I am also worried about the effects of american diesel fuel on the fuel system. of the CRD. The jeep diesel uses the same fuel pump (Bosch) as the VW 2.0L TDI engines, from what I understand those engines are rock solid in europe, but there have been a significant number of catastrophic fuel pump failures in the US requiring about $9-10k in repairs. The reason is thought to be the poor quality (low lubricity) of the diesel fuel sold here. If the lifetime warranty were available on the CRD I would get it, but since it is not the Hemi is a better bet for me.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Hi,

if you only go for short distances like a few miles per day,
the diesel is definetely the wrong decision.

the diesel needs from time to time a high speed or highway cruise
for about 20-30km to regenerate properly.

anyway funny that the diesel is sooo expensive as it is here much
cheaper then the v8.

the v6 is here in europe definately no choice at all.

anyway .... grand cherokee is nice even with diesel or not
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I think it is hilarious that most people in the US don't think we drive enough to own a diesel. For comparison, the average commuting distance in Europe is only about 18 km, and they have no problems with modern diesels. In the us, the average commute distance is 16 miles / 25 km. I think even people with relatively short commutes by US standards still drive plenty far enough to avoid any regen issues.
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Hi,

if you like to modify the CRD with a little chip tuning from O.CT
you have about 275hp and over 610nm.
This tuning is certified by Jeep, so you won't lose warranty.
With this on board you are quicker then the hemi

but even without any tuning ....
- v8 8,6 sec 0-100km/h
- crd 8,2 sec 0-100km/h

.... but you guys there in the US are not allowed to drive really quick on highways
like we here in germany, what a pity .... NO LIMIT

dont worry, the diesel will take a lot more then only 100000km or miles.
i think it is just the missing experience with diesel engines in the usa. just something new.
Diesel tuning is not new here, my last diesel truck had over 700 hp and yes it was fast, and reliable but it did not have an egr system, or urea, and it was expensive to get that kind of power, i think the issue here in the states is the costs involved in buying one. When i bought my newest truck, the diesel engine option was 9k$ more than a gas model. Diesel in Chicago costs more than 4$ a gallon, its not difficult to see that its definitely not cost effective. You will definitely never get a return on your investment espescially with the amount of time most people keep their cars. I like the diesels for their torque and power, but as far as a diesel saving you money, you would have to keep it for a loooong time to make it worth your while. The reason people dont keep their cars long at least in my part of the country is the salt used in the winters on the roads, 10 years is about what most people max out on as far as keeping a car. Rust sets in about that time, and while your engine may still run great, you are probably feeling a draft from the holes in the body panels while driving lol.
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