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Old 01-14-2013, 11:12 PM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

My '13 hemi 4x4 with the 6 speed and factory tow package has more torque than the 2012 Silverado 2500HD 4x4 with the 6.0 gas engine and 5 speed that I traded in!
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

The Hemi is the better equivalent IMO. Pricing isn't out yet for the Diesel, but I would expect the up charge from the Hemi to be fairly nominal. Even if it were a $1500 option, I would make the break even point at just under 2 years -- if fuel prices remain where they are now (which they won't).

Reasons I'll go with a Diesel:

1. Drive (normal daily driving) feels like a Hemi but with MPG of a four cylinder. I've driven both and like the Diesel better.

2. Diesel Engines costs no more to own (unless you put gas in one) over time. I have had one for two years now -- no additional cost.

3. Diesel Engines will last double (at least) longer than a gas vehicle. I get to see thousands of them here in Germany. Don't see many older than 5 years gas cars, but plenty of Diesels. We own a vehicle for 5-7 years and resale in that age group is better (whether in the US or here).

4. Emissions.

5. It's different and not a hybrid.

I would not get the Diesel if I drove less than 15K miles per year.

Get what you wan't, but you can pay more for the Hemi AND more at the pump over time; or, you can pay more for the diesel and pay much less at the pump over time.
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:38 AM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

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The Hemi is the better equivalent IMO. Pricing isn't out yet for the Diesel, but I would expect the up charge from the Hemi to be fairly nominal. Even if it were a $1500 option, I would make the break even point at just under 2 years -- if fuel prices remain where they are now (which they won't).
Bei den Spritkosten in Deutschland wuerde ich auch den Diesel kaufen. Hier in Florida kostet Diesel aber mehr als Super - da sieht die Sache wieder anders aus.

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Old 01-15-2013, 02:28 AM
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I think you're missing the point. Everyone wants good mileage. But there is no real savings. The diesel will cost more......here in the US, at least my part of the US, diesel fuel is more expensive. If I get better mileage but pay more for it, what's the use?
If a diesel is not for you, why are you posting about it?

For me, you have a couple options:

V6: Estimated Fuel use (in Seattle at 15k miles per year) - $2,308.25

Upside: No premium price point for the engine (Standard on all models except SRT), lowest operating costs of all the engines (maintenance), good fuel economy.

Downside: Slowest of all the engines (off the line), smallest amount of torque, and thusly, not as much towing capacity, will rev high in mountain passes.

V8 Hemi: Estimated Fuel use (in Seattle at 15k miles per year) - $2,772.59

Upside: Good for every day use in town, nothing special needed, great towing capacity (equivilant to the diesel), quick off the line, decent fuel econ.

Downside: Not as much torque as the Diesel, thusly not as good for towing, and will rev high in mountain passes, significantly lower fuel econ then the diesel, premium price point for the engine.

EcoDiesel: Estimated Fuel use (in Seattle at 15k miles per year) - $2,472.46

Upside: Good fuel economy, excellant towing, slightly slower in 0-60 then the Hemi

Downside: Fuel cost is higher then normal petrol, maintenance has a higher cost, requires special additives, premium price point for the engine.

So... really, it's all personal choice. I don't begrudge anyone for picking one engine versus the other. It's what you want in your rig because it suits your lifestyle and tastes.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:17 AM
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

I didn't see where somebody mentioned the Hemi needs 16 Spark plugs every 25k? vs 6 at 95k for the pentastar
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

One big tick for the CRD is that they can be tuned. Add 30% power to the stock numbers and you will hose a Hemi, while still getting better economy than the V6.
While the price of fuel is a factor in any calculations, the CRD motor is the best choice to move the JGC.
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Bei den Spritkosten in Deutschland wuerde ich auch den Diesel kaufen. Hier in Florida kostet Diesel aber mehr als Super - da sieht die Sache wieder anders aus.

Gruesse in die alte Heimat!
Ich musst aber nicht Deutschen spritpreis bezahlen! Thank goodess -- those are out of control.

The Diesel will still pay for itself though, whether I compare it to the V8 or to my X3 3.0SI (fun to drive!) and use US prices. When you really do the math, the percent cost higher is less than the percent more efficient. You might also be able to claim the "Trucker Tax" that inflates the cost of Diesel on your income taxes (still researching that though). The higher the cost of gasoline, the faster payback will occur. But that isn't really the point:

I don't NEED an X3 or new JGC -- I want one though, and I really like the advantages of the diesel for my preferences.

Wish you well, and Ihre Heimat is motoring along just fine.
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One big tick for the CRD is that they can be tuned. Add 30% power to the stock numbers and you will hose a Hemi, while still getting better economy than the V6.
While the price of fuel is a factor in any calculations, the CRD motor is the best choice to move the JGC.
In countries other than the US, I would agree to that.

Diesel's have about a 10 year very high mileage break even in terms of money here in the US. It's just not worth it with the added price and fuel cost. If the manufacturers figure out how to price a diesel the same as a gasser, diesel will start to gain ground. But until then, it's just not worth it from a financial standpoint.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

I'd wait until the CRD is available in the Laredo along with the QL.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

Stay away from new diesel's. It's called EGR (exhaust gas recirculation). EGR has been around a while now but the amount exhaust gas going back in to the motor is much higer than it use to be (in order to meet EPA requirements). If you the idea of black soot being pumped back in to your engine, then I guess diesel's the way to go.

The bonus is, you get to pay extra for it!
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Stay away from new diesel's. It's called EGR (exhaust gas recirculation). EGR has been around a while now but the amount exhaust gas going back in to the motor is much higer than it use to be (in order to meet EPA requirements). If you the idea of black soot being pumped back in to your engine, then I guess diesel's the way to go.

The bonus is, you get to pay extra for it!
I don't think that is a big issue. New diesel's seem to be pretty reliable and powerful. I just don't think they save any money over a gasser.
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Re: Is the diesel really worth it????

You'll also get more in resale so it won't cost that much more.

And it's clear that the diesel doubters have never had a chance to drive a diesel and comparably sized gasser to compare. My 335d is slower on paper than the 335i but as far as real world driving goes, there's no comparison. The low end torque makes for a much more responsive ride. I read a review of the 335d compared to the 335i and the d won on a real world course because of the low end needed to accelerate. I'll see if I can dig it up.
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