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Old 02-28-2013, 11:52 AM
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Re: Is the Diesel worth it?

Motor Trend just came out with their first drive on the diesel.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel First Drive - Motor Trend

Given the premium for the engine and the higher cost for diesel, it is not really a big cost savings. I figured (based on my local gas prices $3.65 reg & $4.03 diesel), I would save $0.02 per mile. Driving range would be 600 miles for the diesel vs. 480 for the V6. I used average of EPA MPG, 25 for the diesel engine and 20 for the V6. So for the extra 2 cents per mile, you need 115,000 miles to payback the $2300 engine premium.

If you tow, drive mostly highway and consider the hemi, then this may be a better choice. If you are mixed driving and soccer mom, I don't think the numbers work.
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Motor Trend just came out with their first drive on the diesel.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel First Drive - Motor Trend

Given the premium for the engine and the higher cost for diesel, it is not really a big cost savings. I figured (based on my local gas prices $3.65 reg & $4.03 diesel), I would save $0.02 per mile. Driving range would be 600 miles for the diesel vs. 480 for the V6. I used average of EPA MPG, 25 for the diesel engine and 20 for the V6. So for the extra 2 cents per mile, you need 115,000 miles to payback the $2300 engine premium.

If you tow, drive mostly highway and consider the hemi, then this may be a better choice. If you are mixed driving and soccer mom, I don't think the numbers work.
It's actually a $4500 premium over the V-6 ($3500 w Limited).
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Re: Is the Diesel worth it?

The cheapest way is to go Limited, LUX 2, Diesel since the diesel gives a lux 2 discount.
Throw in the 20 in wheels and you're around 44 which is cheaper than a Base v6 overland.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:18 PM
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Given the premium for the engine and the higher cost for diesel, it is not really a big cost savings. I figured (based on my local gas prices $3.65 reg & $4.03 diesel), I would save $0.02 per mile. Driving range would be 600 miles for the diesel vs. 480 for the V6. I used average of EPA MPG, 25 for the diesel engine and 20 for the V6. So for the extra 2 cents per mile, you need 115,000 miles to payback the $2300 engine premium.
Don't forget that that's based on current prices (and gas prices are high right now). Diesel prices have been around $4.10ish here since gas was around $3.10.

The US simply doesn't have a sufficient diesel infrastructure (refining, etc.) for them to make sense here IMO.

And I'm pretty sure the $2300 figure is wrong, based on what was posted it's a $4500-5000 upgrade from v6 to CRD.
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Re: Is the Diesel worth it?

How does the US not have sufficient diesel infrastructure when all our intercontinental shipping (the most in the entire world) is done with diesel trucks...lol.

Our diesel infrastructure is fine, its the fact that we don't embrace diesel as a consumer thats the problem.
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How does the US not have sufficient diesel infrastructure when all our intercontinental shipping (the most in the entire world) is done with diesel trucks...lol.

Our diesel infrastructure is fine, its the fact that we don't embrace diesel as a consumer thats the problem.
Diesel is a lower grade of fuel than gasoline, yet costs more. That is how we don't have sufficient infrastructure.
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Re: Is the Diesel worth it?

A big reason Diesel costs more than Gasoline is pretty simple... taxes. It's taxed at a much higher rate.

That being said, the diesel is completely worth it, if it does what you want it to do in a way that you want it to.

Kinda like saying, "Is the SRT worth it?"

For me, hell no, for Scott... well... he'll just punch you in the head of you disagree with him there.

In all honesty, if you are looking for cost savings over a long term (10 years) then yes, the diesel will, more or less, pay for itself versus the V6, and will bury the V8.

If you tow stuff a fair amount, the diesel will pay for itself very rapidly versus the V8 and pay for itself in a decent amount of time versus the V6.

If you want to get a nice Jeep that's peppy, and don't plan on towing much of anything or go rock scrambling... go V6.

If you want something that makes a good noise, can tow stuff, and is zippy (and don't care about the cost of fuel doing any of this), go V8.

Really, it's going to come down to personal preference though.
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Re: Is the Diesel worth it?

Just my perspective here... I honestly tried to justify the added cost of the Diesel (by my numbers, it'll never pay itself off based on initial cost vs. fuel cost/mpg) based on that huge grunt of torque () but...

However - In my real life, I (A) never go *seriously* off-road, (B) almost never tow anything, and (C) if I want to race someone, I'm not in a 5000lb truck.

So... for me... no. It's V6 all the way.
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From what I have read, you will need to change the UREA fluid every 10,000 miles but they want you to change the engine oil not at the same time. Urea is around $100. I believe this was on ALLPAR.COM
Sno, Menards (local big box home improvement chain for non cheeseheads) sells diesel exhaust fluid for $9/2.5 gal jug. That's 27 bucks to fill and its no harder than putting gas in your lawnmower.

Now, finding the right engine oil, that's a different story...
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Sno, Menards (local big box home improvement chain for non cheeseheads) sells diesel exhaust fluid for $9/2.5 gal jug. That's 27 bucks to fill and its no harder than putting gas in your lawnmower.

Now, finding the right engine oil, that's a different story...
WTF do I care, I ain't getting the CRD...I want my Jeep NOW, not Q3.
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