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Old 03-03-2011, 09:39 PM
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

Pentastar @290 HP
Optional eurotrash diesel @ 241 HP
Standard eurotrash diesel @ 190 HP

Hope those other countries enjoy dragging a heavier GC with less HP. I wonder how many more thousands that option will cost them? If you really "need" a diesel to haul loads then get a pick-up.



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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

Pull your head out of your ass, diesel's aren't about power figures. Torque... talks!

As stated previously, even the old Merc diesel shit all over the 4.7 V8 in acceleration.

And again, remove head from said ass, "The World" doesn't consist of just the USA.... every country has subtley different tastes and requirements from their vehicles... Europe and Australia don't get the huge pickups of the US..... we have a little taste
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

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Pentastar @290 HP
Optional eurotrash diesel @ 241 HP
Standard eurotrash diesel @ 190 HP

Hope those other countries enjoy dragging a heavier GC with less HP. I wonder how many more thousands that option will cost them? If you really "need" a diesel to haul loads then get a pick-up.



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Old 03-03-2011, 11:34 PM
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

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Pull your head out of your ass, diesel's aren't about power figures. Torque... talks!
Some people don't realize how the two figures are measured.

For the uninitiated...

Torque is an actual force measurement- it is the force generated by the engine as it spins the crankshaft. Torque is what gives you that "kick in the pants" feeling when you tromp the accelerator and what allows a vehicle to pull a heavy load or accelerate in a tall gear.

Horsepower is a measurement of work done... that is, it is a description of the rate at which the torque is applied. Higher revs = more HP. Diesels generally don't rev very high, which is why they tend to have way more torque than HP. They don't wind out that far, but dang if they can't move your hiney... they just run out of steam pretty quickly.

Horsepower is not an end all be all measurement. I've seen some engines that had good HP numbers but were pretty weak in practice (the Honda S2000 was an example of this, the 9000 RPM engine gave great HP numbers, but unless you wound it up to 7000+RPM, it just wasn't doing much). The Pentastar, for example, is at its best when you're spinning it- let it rev up past 3000-4000 RPM, and it really performs. At lower RPMs, not so much.

This diesel would be about the exact opposite.
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

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Pentastar @290 HP
Optional eurotrash diesel @ 241 HP
Standard eurotrash diesel @ 190 HP

Hope those other countries enjoy dragging a heavier GC with less HP. I wonder how many more thousands that option will cost them? If you really "need" a diesel to haul loads then get a pick-up.

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/t...gas/index.html

Do you know your article is almost 9 years old?
October, 2002 issue of Truck Trend.
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

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Old 03-04-2011, 10:22 AM
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

I like the dual exhaust tips on the diesel, just like the V8.
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

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Here is the latest from Geneva with photos. 28 mpg combined?! This is killing me...
http://www.leftlanenews.com/jeep-gra...ee-diesel.html

I so want this motor for the GC in the US.
Diesels in Europe are not what they used to be, just look at the cars from VW, BMW, and MB.
I have rented dozens TD's in Europe over the years and they are amazing. Last summer we had a Fiat Grande Punto with only 75hp. It's not the fastest car in the world and I would not rush out to buy one, but it returned amazing economy and was mostly pleasant to drive too.

My GC is not for speeding, it's for utility. I have it because my other cars don't tow, don't handle snow well, can't carry a package of Costco toilet paper in the trunk, and don't have adequate trunk and seat space for an airport run. I don't want it faster, but I would like it to use less fuel.
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"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" - Carroll Shelby
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

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Pentastar @290 HP
Optional eurotrash diesel @ 241 HP
Standard eurotrash diesel @ 190 HP

Hope those other countries enjoy dragging a heavier GC with less HP. I wonder how many more thousands that option will cost them? If you really "need" a diesel to haul loads then get a pick-up.



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Pull your head out of your ass, diesel's aren't about power figures. Torque... talks!

As stated previously, even the old Merc diesel shit all over the 4.7 V8 in acceleration.

And again, remove head from said ass, "The World" doesn't consist of just the USA.... every country has subtley different tastes and requirements from their vehicles... Europe and Australia don't get the huge pickups of the US..... we have a little taste
Pentastar @ 260 lb-ft
Entry level diesel @ 324 lb-ft
HEMI @ 390 lb-ft
HO diesel @ 406 lb-ft


So your precious Fix It Again Tony diesel they plan on using is ONLY 16 lb-ft more in torque than the HEMI and 119 HP LESS than the HEMI. I think I'll keep the HEMI.

Guess I'll follow by your wonderful hostile example you show.

You can place your swelled mod head into your orifice and bring a couple of your fan boys with you to keep you company. Enjoy!

I'm sorry the australian auto industry isn't much to look at and you have to turn to Jeep.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:16 PM
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Re: Specs and details released for WK2 diesel at Geneva

haha, it's taken you FIVE entire days to come up with THAT retort?????? Oh my........

Have you not realised I actually have a Hemi you mouth breather?
I'm simply capable of rational thinking and see some benefit in an excess of torque and around 60% of the fuel consumption.
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