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I see why you needed to do something. The part I don't get is, even at retail, that seems like an insane premium to pay for a Gas unit. I mean even if you never off road in the Jeep, the underpinnings were built to handle more and I find the interiors on the new platforms to be very solid after a few years (2011 Durango as an example)

There is lots to like about the Acura (I also have a strictly Acura store is visit) but it seems really expensive for what you are getting. Maybe that is totally because of the packaging for upgrades.

As Bill said though, if you have done your research and bought based on your needs I am sure you will be happy with it. Most of the Acura stores have very good service in my experience as well.

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Re: Those waiting for diesel - what will you do?

I haven't looked at the new Acura, so I really didn't know if they had added a diesel to the line. There had been some talk about one during the time I owned mine, but it could have just been some internet banter.

I had the tech, and at that time you could get the rear entertainment center with the tech or the advanced. I guess it has enough attraction to convince people to step up a level.

The seats were definitely softer and wider. I didn't have the vented seats.


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I haven't looked at the new Acura, so I really didn't know if they had added a diesel to the line. There had been some talk about one during the time I owned mine, but it could have just been some internet banter.

I had the tech, and at that time you could get the rear entertainment center with the tech or the advanced. I guess it has enough attraction to convince people to step up a level.

The seats were definitely softer and wider. I didn't have the vented seats.


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I think they have talked about doing a hybrid in the MDX as well ... I suppose within 5-10 years most will offer a diesel (hopefully). You can still get the "entertainment" part added to the "tech" model and it's a smaller screen and no HDMI input etc. on the "advance" (top package) it includes a 16.2" superwide screen. There is a top tier ELS sound system as well in that model (slightly better than the sound system in the "tech" and "entertainment" models. There are 4 different stereos including the "base" model. The top tier model stickers at just under $58k I believe but then there are added "accessories" that don't really seem like accessories to people willing to pay $58k that are not included. This is a big cash grab by Acura (fog lamps, heated steering wheel, wood shifter, wood steering wheel) are all accessories on all Acuras. Adding on all the accessories we would want brings our likely MSRP to $60,700 or so. As E.T. said "ouch" ...
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I see why you needed to do something. The part I don't get is, even at retail, that seems like an insane premium to pay for a Gas unit. I mean even if you never off road in the Jeep, the underpinnings were built to handle more and I find the interiors on the new platforms to be very solid after a few years (2011 Durango as an example)

There is lots to like about the Acura (I also have a strictly Acura store is visit) but it seems really expensive for what you are getting. Maybe that is totally because of the packaging for upgrades.

As Bill said though, if you have done your research and bought based on your needs I am sure you will be happy with it. Most of the Acura stores have very good service in my experience as well.

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The Jeep can definitely handle more that's for sure ... I just don't know that we'd likely ever utilize the capability though. There are times where I wish we'd not even test drove the Acura just cause we were SO sold on waiting for the EcoDiesel. We may still come back around to the Jeep. We plan on test driving the Audi Q7 and Infiniti Q50 as well.
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I think they have talked about doing a hybrid in the MDX as well ... I suppose within 5-10 years most will offer a diesel (hopefully). You can still get the "entertainment" part added to the "tech" model and it's a smaller screen and no HDMI input etc. on the "advance" (top package) it includes a 16.2" superwide screen. There is a top tier ELS sound system as well in that model (slightly better than the sound system in the "tech" and "entertainment" models. There are 4 different stereos including the "base" model. The top tier model stickers at just under $58k I believe but then there are added "accessories" that don't really seem like accessories to people willing to pay $58k that are not included. This is a big cash grab by Acura (fog lamps, heated steering wheel, wood shifter, wood steering wheel) are all accessories on all Acuras. Adding on all the accessories we would want brings our likely MSRP to $60,700 or so. As E.T. said "ouch" ...
I had to go take a look at their site. I can't believe they offer it without the sh-awd. That was probably my favorite feature. And the base model comes with a tire repair kit instead of a spare.

It looks like the same engine which could move that vehicle along with no problem.

Just be sure to test drive on a highway. That's where the noise level was a real turn off. Not only road noise, but the noise from vehicles that were nearby.

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I had to go take a look at their site. I can't believe they offer it without the sh-awd. That was probably my favorite feature. And the base model comes with a tire repair kit instead of a spare.

It looks like the same engine which could move that vehicle along with no problem.

Just be sure to test drive on a highway. That's where the noise level was a real turn off. Not only road noise, but the noise from vehicles that were nearby.

Good luck with whatever you and your wife finally decide.


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I think people in the southern regions will scoop up that 2wd for the extra fuel economy but yes I really liked the sh-awd in my 07 MDX Sport as well. The new MDX lost a lot of weight (just under 300 lbs). The new engine uses cylinder deactivation as well so I'm unsure how well the fuel economy will hold up above highway speeds when it's less likely to shut down 3 cylinders. Thanks for the input ... We plan to test drive a few more cars this week before officially deciding if we will wait for the EcoDiesel.

It is annoying how many cars are starting to ditch spare tires.
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The Jeep can definitely handle more that's for sure ... I just don't know that we'd likely ever utilize the capability though. There are times where I wish we'd not even test drove the Acura just cause we were SO sold on waiting for the EcoDiesel. We may still come back around to the Jeep. We plan on test driving the Audi Q7 and Infiniti Q50 as well.
I was also referring to handle more as it relates to the normal on raod use. Pot holes, bad roads and general roughness on the suspension. I know from my Mercedes that they overbuilt thier Chassis (not frames as the Jeep doesnt have one either). The were made to handle the brutal roads there including cobble stone roads. I dont know how Mercedes did this but there vehicles not only are quieter inside but they somehow make the interior components stay firm somehow.

I just know with most other vehicle I have driven over 50,000 miles (not the MDX can't speak there because I never did drive one with miles) that the interiors start making lots of noises. I feel that this over engineered body that takes the offroad beating which is from the new Generation ML 350 / 550 etc somehow translates that technology. I just think the way higher mile trucks just seem to go and go, that somehow that toughness is bread into the new JGC (even before 2014)

It is part of this toughness that I acknowledge after drive the Durango for a while that it is surprisingly solid and quite inside STILL. Much more so than the Cadillac SRX I put about 3500 Miles on this Winter. It in fact stood out in my mind, who would buy an SRX after driving this Jeep?

I am sure the MDX is improved, I will need to drive one and you have peaked my interest.
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Re: Those waiting for diesel - what will you do?

I totally agree with Willx's comments as they relate to my '97 GC. It was my daily driver for the first 7 or 8 years I owned it, when I "retired" it to vacation cruiser and off-road trips. In addition, I began off-roading it within about 3 months of purchase (new in Dec. '96); installed a 3 1/2" suspension lift in 2001, wheeled the heck out of it until I had my current setup installed 3 years ago. Have now been wheeling this setup since, and no new issues other than routine repairs on a vehicle with my mileage.

Now at 108,000 miles, I still do not have any rattles, squeaks or other annoying noises or rattles from any of the interior or exterior components (as long as I periodically check the tightness of the suspension bolts). And as for the integrity of the engine (and before I replaced them, the xfer case and stock axles), only one issue i had was within 3 months of purchase that was quickly taken care of by an out of town dealer - the fuel sending unit failure problem. The ZJ has definitely been the best, most reliable vehicle I've ever owned, and even if I do decide to purchase a WKII once they're finally produced, I'll keep the ZJ for serious off-roading trips. The WKII would be my daily driver and see mild to moderate off-roading, mostly expedition type trips of longer durations where the extended range of the EcoDiesel would be of value.

I just hope that the same attention to build quality is present in this new edition of the Grand Cherokee.


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I was also referring to handle more as it relates to the normal on raod use. Pot holes, bad roads and general roughness on the suspension. I know from my Mercedes that they overbuilt thier Chassis (not frames as the Jeep doesnt have one either). The were made to handle the brutal roads there including cobble stone roads. I dont know how Mercedes did this but there vehicles not only are quieter inside but they somehow make the interior components stay firm somehow.

I just know with most other vehicle I have driven over 50,000 miles (not the MDX can't speak there because I never did drive one with miles) that the interiors start making lots of noises. I feel that this over engineered body that takes the offroad beating which is from the new Generation ML 350 / 550 etc somehow translates that technology. I just think the way higher mile trucks just seem to go and go, that somehow that toughness is bread into the new JGC (even before 2014)

It is part of this toughness that I acknowledge after drive the Durango for a while that it is surprisingly solid and quite inside STILL. Much more so than the Cadillac SRX I put about 3500 Miles on this Winter. It in fact stood out in my mind, who would buy an SRX after driving this Jeep?...
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Went to check out the Infiniti JX or whatever they're calling it next year (QX60). Add another to the list ... VERY nice inside and out. Coming out with a hybrid in the next few months that obtains 26mpg combined supposedly. Compared to the Acura MDX it felt more SUV like and drove more like it as well. The CVT doesn't do it any favors in terms of get up and go. Too many choices ... I liked it better when we were just dead set on the EcoDiesel.
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I test drove a '14 Overland with the Hemi today. This was probably the stupidest decision I've made all month. My will to wait out the diesel has suffered greatly at the hands of my idiocy.
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I test drove a '14 Overland with the Hemi today. This was probably the stupidest decision I've made all month. My will to wait out the diesel has suffered greatly at the hands of my idiocy.
Drove a summit today, Hemi same problem
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#2... Couldn't wait until fall. Maybe my wife's next car will be the diesel. At least this way they can get any extra bugs worked out.
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