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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

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Sounds like you (the original poster) want a CRD to me ... Just wait and order one. It's amazing to me how heated these debates get ... Everyone is just fearful of being "wrong." It's also amazing how generally the only heated debates about "is it worth it?" occur around engines because it's easier to figure out costs to drive etc. Most of the time you never hear "is leather worth it? Will I make money back?" People generally just decide "I want leather ... I like it ... I'm getting leather." Sure we consider the cost but it's less of a mathmatically decided choice.

I am going for diesel due to the fuel economy especially on the highway. I like the idea of using less fuel in general. I will feel less guilty loading up the dogs and taking a 500 mile road trip knowing I'm burning a bit less fuel. I like that overall diesel is cleaner and needs less refining. I like the idea of supporting diesel technology in the USA. I like the idea of having towing power if I need it and that I get a lot of torque with better fuel economy than the V-6 gas engine. Yes it's costing me more but that feels worth it to me. Yes I'm "forced" to get the Advanced Tech Package but I was leaning toward ordering that anyhow.

Maybe I'll have regrets but I do look forward to sharing my opinion after some months of ownership. Good luck deciding! We generally find the rationale to fit what we really want to hear anyway
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Sounds like you (the original poster) want a CRD to me ... Just wait and order one. It's amazing to me how heated these debates get ... Everyone is just fearful of being "wrong." It's also amazing how generally the only heated debates about "is it worth it?" occur around engines because it's easier to figure out costs to drive etc. Most of the time you never hear "is leather worth it? Will I make money back?" People generally just decide "I want leather ... I like it ... I'm getting leather." Sure we consider the cost but it's less of a mathmatically decided choice.

I am going for diesel due to the fuel economy especially on the highway. I like the idea of using less fuel in general. I will feel less guilty loading up the dogs and taking a 500 mile road trip knowing I'm burning a bit less fuel. I like that overall diesel is cleaner and needs less refining. I like the idea of supporting diesel technology in the USA. I like the idea of having towing power if I need it and that I get a lot of torque with better fuel economy than the V-6 gas engine. Yes it's costing me more but that feels worth it to me. Yes I'm "forced" to get the Advanced Tech Package but I was leaning toward ordering that anyhow.

Maybe I'll have regrets but I do look forward to sharing my opinion after some months of ownership. Good luck deciding! We generally find the rationale to fit what we really want to hear anyway
Very well put. I couldn't have said it better myself. No really... I couldn't have.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:05 AM
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

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Why not, you forget that you will eventually sell the Jeep too. How about closing that gap when you include a higher resale value.
Well, yeah, you will get a great deal more for your CRD then the V6 at time of sale, but you won't get $4k back. Again, no one should ever look at a car for ROI unless they are into classic cars and are a collector. Buy a car that does what you want, how you want, at the price you want.

That being said, yes, some engines will be better at X, Y, or Z.

If you want a fast SUV, get a Jeep SRT, Land Rover Sport, BMW X5 M, Mercedes G63 AMG, GL63 AMG, ML 63. But sure as hell don't take em into the mountains.
For a good solid, all around engine, get the V6. It will do the job and do it pretty well all around. However, don't expect a rocket, don't expect tons of power in the mountains (or at altitude).
For something a bit more zippy (and you are willing to pay for the fuel for that zip), get the Hemi.
For long range, hauling, and power at any altitude, get the CRD.
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If you want a fast SUV, get a Jeep SRT, Land Rover Sport, BMW X5 M, Mercedes G63 AMG, GL63 AMG, ML 63. But sure as hell don't take em into the mountains.
For a good solid, all around engine, get the V6. It will do the job and do it pretty well all around. However, don't expect a rocket, don't expect tons of power in the mountains (or at altitude).
For something a bit more zippy (and you are willing to pay for the fuel for that zip), get the Hemi.
For long range, hauling, and power at any altitude, get the CRD.
Good solid advice. Simple to decide (if emotion is not involved) based on that statement.
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

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Why not, you forget that you will eventually sell the Jeep too. How about closing that gap when you include a higher resale value.
Yeah I think people forget that part of the equation in the math that diesels so have higher resale value so *some* of that up front premium can be recovered on the back end.

In the end it's personal choice based on your driving situation and the CRD will not be right for everyone. For me I drive 25k a year, 75% of which is on the highway so CRD makes sense since the math gets better the more you drive especially highway. Longer range will be nice since my current rig has a 250 mile range @ 16-17 mpg. Also longer engine life helps since I tend to keep vehicle for 200k miles which I may be able to push even higher with CRD.
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I agree with Husker'...it really boils down to buying what you want for your own personal reasons. They don't have to be analytic...
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

Thanks, everyone. I've been reading all of your replies.

A special thanks to those of you that specifically addressed my concerns. As usual in a car forum, there was a LOT of extraneous information floating around that really had nothing to do with what I was asking about. Having said that, I enjoyed reading all of those posts too. I really appreciate the large number of responses.

Based on what people have said about my 3 concerns, I'm really leaning hard towards the diesel. The main purpose behind getting some input was that I wasn't sure if I wanted to wait for the CRD to arrive here in the U.S. Assuming I'd be happier with a gasoline engine, there's several Granite Summits sitting on lots right now that I could choose from and be enjoying driving right NOW. But from everyone's input, added with my own, I think it would be best to wait for the diesel. Worst case scenario is that I hated the CRD, in which case I'd buy a Hemi.

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Hi Tony. That is tempting, isn't it? Specially after testing a Hemi and the salesperson ask you whether you really want to wait.
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Except no one is paying MSRP. It's $4000 more, $3000 if you're going with a Lux II package. And you'll probably get at least half of that, if not more on resale of the truck. It's never that easy to figure out whether you'll make the best financial decision but when you're talking V6 vs. CRD, you are mostly talking about 2 different classes of vehicles. They *look* the same but I bet the performance characteristics are way different.
Are you sure? I was looking at an Overland. The diesel was 4K more than the V6. True, that's list, but we're still talking a HUGE premium over the 6.
Wish I could justify 4K more for an unproven (in the US at least) engine, but I'm not yet convinced.
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For me, it's also about conservation. I'm actually quite the liberal, bleeding heart. I compost, recycle everything I can, etc, yada yada. But I need the capabilities of the truck, too. Where else am I going to go to reduce my consumption while also getting the benefits of a truck like the JGC?
This pretty well sums up my feelings as well. Right now I have a Liberty. In all honesty, it's a decent vehicle - but I can't get past how inefficient/wasteful it is. It irks me every time I fill up, and it's not just about the money (but partially about the money...)
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For me, it's also about conservation. I'm actually quite the liberal, bleeding heart. I compost, recycle everything I can, etc, yada yada. But I need the capabilities of the truck, too. Where else am I going to go to reduce my consumption while also getting the benefits of a truck like the JGC?
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This pretty well sums up my feelings as well. Right now I have a Liberty. In all honesty, it's a decent vehicle - but I can't get past how inefficient/wasteful it is. It irks me every time I fill up, and it's not just about the money (but partially about the money...)
I'm happy to hear I'm not the only one that feels this way.

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On your specific questions...

Reviews have mentioned it does have a little more diesel sound than some of the German cars. Diesel sound doesn't bother me. Guess It may take little getting used to but you only hear it at idle.

Highway Passing speed power. There was another thread in diesel forum asking same thing. I thought I read somewhere that a reviewer specifically said people would be very happy with its highway passing power in the 40-60 mph band. I tried to find the article but couldn't but pretty sure we'll be fine passing at highway speeds.

I've been surprised how many stations here in northern NJ have diesel. Here in NJ we have added problem of no self service by law (stupid I know) so I'm getting little worried about the gas guy accidentally pumping in gas instead of diesel. Stations with separate island helps. I've been doing some web searches and seems our crazy NJ law doesn't apply to diesel so many TDI guys said we could drive up and pump our own but some stations still try to give you trouble.

I guess getting behind a few dump trucks pumping 200 gallons might suck
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