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Old 04-18-2013, 06:06 PM
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To diesel or not to diesel

After waiting patiently for the 2014s to arrive, I think I've finally decided that a 4x4 Summit is in my near future. I drove one the other day and really, really liked it. It corrected every doubt I had about the 2013 and then some. In fact, there wasn't much about the new JGC I didn't like.

So now I'm in the predicament of whether or not I want to wait for the 3.0 diesel engine to arrive. I really do want the best of both worlds. I want the better gas mileage, better torque, and I want to do as much for the environment as I can (to help offset all the supercharged V8s I've owned over the years). I realize I won't be saving much money because of the added cost of the CRD plus the fact that diesel is more expensive. Having said that, the three biggest concerns I have about the diesel are:

1) It still sounds like a diesel, at least compared to the Toureg I drove. I'm not sure I like the sound.

2) When I drive on the highway, I do a lot of passing. I'm worried that the higher rpms at passing speeds means I'll be relying on the measly 240 hp. I like passing capability.

3) I've been looking around my neighborhood and all my favorite gas stations don't have diesel. Plus, it seems like when you find a station that has diesel, it only has one pump compared to a dozen other gasoline pumps. That means waiting times at the pump will increase. I'm not the most patient person (see #2 above).

Having said all this, it seems all the reviews I've seen and read online about the diesel are overwhelmingly positive.

Just looking for some input. Should I wait for the diesel to come out, or take the plunge now with a Hemi?

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:14 PM
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After waiting patiently for the 2014s to arrive, I think I've finally decided that a 4x4 Summit is in my near future. I drove one the other day and really, really liked it. It corrected every doubt I had about the 2013 and then some. In fact, there wasn't much about the new JGC I didn't like.

So now I'm in the predicament of whether or not I want to wait for the 3.0 diesel engine to arrive. I really do want the best of both worlds. I want the better gas mileage, better torque, and I want to do as much for the environment as I can (to help offset all the supercharged V8s I've owned over the years). I realize I won't be saving much money because of the added cost of the CRD plus the fact that diesel is more expensive. Having said that, the three biggest concerns I have about the diesel are:

1) It still sounds like a diesel, at least compared to the Toureg I drove. I'm not sure I like the sound.

2) When I drive on the highway, I do a lot of passing. I'm worried that the higher rpms at passing speeds means I'll be relying on the measly 240 hp. I like passing capability.

3) I've been looking around my neighborhood and all my favorite gas stations don't have diesel. Plus, it seems like when you find a station that has diesel, it only has one pump compared to a dozen other gasoline pumps. That means waiting times at the pump will increase. I'm not the most patient person (see #2 above).

Having said all this, it seems all the reviews I've seen and read online about the diesel are overwhelmingly positive.

Just looking for some input. Should I wait for the diesel to come out, or take the plunge now with a Hemi?

Tony
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:37 PM
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

There is an existing thread that asks, is the diesel worth it? If you are really interested, do a search. It covers just about every pro and con anybody could think of.

A new thread on an old topic won't get you half of the info that's already out there.
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

I've been driving a diesel for nearly 10 years and I've had to wait at a pump exactly zero times even if there is only one pump at the station. I've waited more times getting gas for my wife's car over the years.

The inconvenience of finding an intown diesel pump isn't insignificant though. I need to plan my routes so I don't have to go too far out of the way. But with the 700+ mile range, that'll be a once every couple weeks inconvenience.
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

I'd wait for the diesel. It is going to save you money in the long run - and unless your paying cash for the entire purchase price up front, the CRD is going to save you money from day one.

In the past, opting for the CRD would have never been an option for me. But if you look at the plain numbers, the CRD just makes sense. I went over this a couple of times and the end, the diesel simply is the logical choice.

Is the CRD 0.5 secs slower from 0-60? Probably - but the Grand Cherokee is no racecar. Is Diesel more expensive than regular or mid-grade fuel? It sure is but in the end, it doesn't matter because the HEMI is rated at 15 MPG overall while the CRD is going to get 23 MPG (or better).

So if you either lease or finance, the higher monthly payment for the CRD over the HEMI upgrade is EASILY compensated by fuel-savings - even if you consider the higher diesel cost. The difference in MPGs is simply too big.
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

Check the diesel forum. There is a thread that I started about passing speed. Some members in other continents have given their opinion (diesels are currently available with the five speeds over there).
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After waiting patiently for the 2014s to arrive, I think I've finally decided that a 4x4 Summit is in my near future. I drove one the other day and really, really liked it. It corrected every doubt I had about the 2013 and then some. In fact, there wasn't much about the new JGC I didn't like.

So now I'm in the predicament of whether or not I want to wait for the 3.0 diesel engine to arrive. I really do want the best of both worlds. I want the better gas mileage, better torque, and I want to do as much for the environment as I can (to help offset all the supercharged V8s I've owned over the years). I realize I won't be saving much money because of the added cost of the CRD plus the fact that diesel is more expensive. Having said that, the three biggest concerns I have about the diesel are:

1) It still sounds like a diesel, at least compared to the Toureg I drove. I'm not sure I like the sound.

2) When I drive on the highway, I do a lot of passing. I'm worried that the higher rpms at passing speeds means I'll be relying on the measly 240 hp. I like passing capability.

3) I've been looking around my neighborhood and all my favorite gas stations don't have diesel. Plus, it seems like when you find a station that has diesel, it only has one pump compared to a dozen other gasoline pumps. That means waiting times at the pump will increase. I'm not the most patient person (see #2 above).

Having said all this, it seems all the reviews I've seen and read online about the diesel are overwhelmingly positive.

Just looking for some input. Should I wait for the diesel to come out, or take the plunge now with a Hemi?

Tony
Hi, answering your concerns 1-only tell it's a diesel while idling and very low speed driving town driving but very very quiet at the same time cannot hear the engine at all during highway cruising 2- please believe me when i say overtaking is too easy it actually feels stronger and pulls harder as it builds more and more speed hits 100 miles with each overtaking, i have also always had a v8 car currently a 490 hp chev, don't miss it when driving the crd 3- 2 diesel pumps versus 10 petrol pumps at my servo only waited twice in 9 months to fill up WAIT and test the crd the feeling of regret is a pretty strong one
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

Car & Driver rated the "payoff" at 35k miles with the '14 CRD. Meaning after you drive 35k miles you'll then be "ahead" of your initial investment in the more expensive engine and fuel.
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Car & Driver rated the "payoff" at 35k miles with the '14 CRD. Meaning after you drive 35k miles you'll then be "ahead" of your initial investment in the more expensive engine and fuel.
Was that in comparison to the Pentastar or the HEMI? Compared to the regular V6, the savings are certainly harder to achieve although that comparision is a bit unfair because the Pentastar doesn't come close to the performance of the CRD.

Now, when it comes to the comparison between the HEMI and the CRD, we have to see if there is such an initial investment in the first place. I guess the majority will be financing or leasing and therefore, won't have a higher initial out of pocket expense for the CRD.

So in the end it boils down to monthly expenses - and as soon as you "drive enough" to save more on fuel than what your monthly lease- or financing-up charge will be, you are saving the moment you get into the car.
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Re: To diesel or not to diesel

Oops, it was Edmunds that reported that, and it was relative to the Hemi V8.

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Jeep is asking a $4,500 premium for the diesel engine, which makes it $2,305 more expensive than the Hemi V8. A bit of quick math using national average fuel prices reveals that the Ecodiesel will pay for itself relative to the Hemi V8 in about 35,000 miles. Guess you really have to want the extra torque.
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Oops, it was Edmunds that reported that, and it was relative to the Hemi V8.

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Exactly.

What about a comparison to the V6? A $4500 premium over the V6 & diesel fuel often 20% or so more expensive then gas? How long will that take to amortize?

If the V6 4WD averages, say 22 and the diesel say, 26, we have a roughly 15% improvement. If diesel costs 15% more then when, exactly, is the breakeven?
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