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Old 09-15-2013, 10:33 PM
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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

I don't get why people only look at the diesel in terms of how many miles it will take to recoup the cost of the diesel engine. You are not getting a comparable engine with a diesel engine; you're getting a far superior one in engineering, complexity and fundamentals of operation.

I'm paying for a diesel because that's what I want to have powering my Jeep. It's like SRT guys paying more for the power and performance even though they will get less mpg; and with the diesel you pay for the diesel power and performance all the while getting better mpg than the v6. And it's not like I see threads of v6 guys wondering why v8 guys want to pay more for the v8 with less mpg than they get. But a lot of people are stuck on how many miles it will take to pay for the diesel. They obviously don't know or maybe don't understand the differences. I guess it's just a "diesel thing".

I know the diesel doesn't have the HP and performance of a v8. But the v8 costs more as an option (than the v6) and I don't think v6 people are as baffled by those that chose the v8 as they are by people that chose the diesel.


That they should be more expensive is not surprising; they are complex, sophisticated machines in comparison to the ones they replace. Also for those hung up on the additional cost, consider the v6 and v8 gassers are both naturally aspirated whereas the diesel is turbocharged so that alone costs more, just like any gasser does with a turbo. And the heavier block, etc costs more for a diesel. I guess people want a better engine that costs less than the worse engine. yeah, I'd like that too.

With regard to diesel fuel costing more than gasoline is unfortunate. In the world of aviation, Jet-A (diesel) is less expensive than 100LL gasoline; too bad it's not like that at the auto pump station

Ok seriously forget the above; I strolled into the dealership and he had this awesome sounding GC idling in the lot. I liked it so much I said I'll take it whatever extra it cost. So I paid 4K for an awesome sounding truck, so in my mind I got the diesel engine that makes that sweet sound with it for free!!
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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

Wow, I really stepped into it here for one of my first ten posts. I simply used the current avg. AAA fuel prices of $3.523 for gas and $3.924 for diesel, which equal $.14092 (v6 @ 25 mpg) and $.1314 (eco-d @ 30 mpg) per mile respectively, made a spreadsheet, and let Excel do the math. I did miscalculate the cost of the diesel option at $5000 for a Limited, 22G. I double-checked the order pages, and it is only $4500 like it says online. That comes to 472,689 miles to break even..not allowing for urea additive, 4 passengers, wind, altitude, or anything else that IS an important variable. I'm just comparing the basic cost per mile, fuel vs. fuel. I do feel pretty comfortable in saying that the oil change will balance out, or at least be close.

I'm not a math genius, which is why I switched to History from Engineering in college. But I don't see the need to normalize the cost, I get there one step faster. $pg/mpg=$pm This link verifies my math.

Note, Motortrend, as well as the Jeep brochure, list the Eco @ 30mpg hwy, and the V6 @ 25 mpg hwy, so that's what I used. City driving is really a crapshoot at best when trying to compare, like mslogo said. Driving habits vary.

As far as practical experience, when I sold GMC trucks before, younger guys would come in and want to buy a diesel truck because their friends had one. At the time, the Duramax package was $6500. When I asked them why, it was one of two reasons. A.) their country friend had one or B.) they towed a snowmobile trailer to Michigan once a year, and hated the gas mileage from their half ton. In 2005 or so, when diesel was a little cheaper than gas, it still took almost 250,000 to recoup the cost of the Duramax.

Seriously, how many of us out there are going to keep a vehicle for even 250,000 miles anyways? It's a lifestyle choice, the same as choosing a Summit over a Larado or Kellogg's vs. Great Value corn flakes. I sincerely apologize if I upset anyone.
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Old 09-15-2013, 10:56 PM
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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

You would think that Jeep would offer the diesel at the same price as the 5.7L Hemi (as they do in Australia) and the payback period would be a non-issue.

Shoestring is right when he said it must be a diesel thing. He's spot on. Once you get a diesel you think to yourself "this just makes sense" especially with trucks or SUV/4x4's but the switch is the first and hardest step.
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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

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I don't get why people only look at the diesel in terms of how many miles it will take to recoup the cost of the diesel engine. You are not getting a comparable engine with a diesel engine; you're getting a far superior one in engineering, complexity and fundamentals of operation.

I'm paying for a diesel because that's what I want to have powering my Jeep. It's like SRT guys paying more for the power and performance even though they will get less mpg; and with the diesel you pay for the diesel power and performance all the while getting better mpg than the v6. And it's not like I see threads of v6 guys wondering why v8 guys want to pay more for the v8 with less mpg than they get. But a lot of people are stuck on how many miles it will take to pay for the diesel. They obviously don't know or maybe don't understand the differences. I guess it's just a "diesel thing".

I know the diesel doesn't have the HP and performance of a v8. But the v8 costs more as an option (than the v6) and I don't think v6 people are as baffled by those that chose the v8 as they are by people that chose the diesel.


That they should be more expensive is not surprising; they are complex, sophisticated machines in comparison to the ones they replace. Also for those hung up on the additional cost, consider the v6 and v8 gassers are both naturally aspirated whereas the diesel is turbocharged so that alone costs more, just like any gasser does with a turbo. And the heavier block, etc costs more for a diesel. I guess people want a better engine that costs less than the worse engine. yeah, I'd like that too.

With regard to diesel fuel costing more than gasoline is unfortunate. In the world of aviation, Jet-A (diesel) is less expensive than 100LL gasoline; too bad it's not like that at the auto pump station

Ok seriously forget the above; I strolled into the dealership and he had this awesome sounding GC idling in the lot. I liked it so much I said I'll take it whatever extra it cost. So I paid 4K for an awesome sounding truck, so in my mind I got the diesel engine that makes that sweet sound with it for free!!
The V6 is the most advanced engine, IMHO.

The V6 cost more in Europe. EcoDiesel isn't more $$$ because it's more complex and better engineered, it's because they can get the $$$ in the USA. My guess is, they are about equal.

You babbled on about it's not MPG, yet you continue to repeat that same mistake saying it's better MPG than the V6. MPG is an economic metric. You have to use cents per mile in order to fairly compare them and they are pretty damn close. Ignoring the $4500.00 up front surcharge. Marketing folks know customers will only look at MPG because they are to lazy to do the math.

Now if you want to compare MPG with the V8 while getting some of the same performance features, then fine.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:46 AM
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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

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If you factor in the price difference and higher cost of fuel it will take approx 1 million miles to break even. I just don't get it..
Better MPG is really just an extra plus for me. Having a diesel powered Grand Cherokee is all about performance, and fulfilling my dreams. I've always wanted to take a CJ and put a twin turbo diesel in it. This is almost the same thing, but comfy and full of nice tech. The fuel economy just sweetens the pot.
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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

For me it's about the touring range and the Torque the Diesel supplies which is crucial off road so you don't have to compensate for Torque with speed which can sometimes be dangerous and damaging. I have had petrol V6 and V8 and now Diesel, so far Diesel wins!
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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

Oh and I like the slight diesel clatter it makes it sound purposeful and ready to haul!!!!
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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

Here you go Acilate.

Vid of the drive to school. Apologies for the driveway noise - can't help that and also that really annoying little rattle is the camera I'm sorry. I let the vid run whilst I closed the gate so you can hear it at an idle.

Also, the road surface changes at 3.49 and that's when you start to hear more road noise, but it is not as noisy in the cabin - I promise. I think the first 4 minutes are probably the best for hearing it though.

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Lightbulb Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

I'm not much into giving a rat's @rse about what others think, but I have to ask:

"when you factored in the buying premium, how did you forget the selling premium"?

Man... that's an oversight!

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Re: What does the diesel actually sound like?

For mileage savings I base it off of the average 14 MPG my F150 gets now to the ~26 MPG the Jeep will get. That is a good 12 MPG difference which makes the return much quicker. (I math out the MPG instead of using the lying computer in the car)

Seeing as I use my truck rarely for the bed and I have a small trailer. I can use the trailer with the Jeep when neccessary and reap the MPG benefits always.

I need something with 4x4 and ground clearance since I normally am heading to work before the snow plows remove the foot of snow from the freeway during the winter. (Only 130 inches of snowfall last year)
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I'm not much into giving a rat's @rse about what others think, but I have to ask:

"when you factored in the buying premium, how did you forget the selling premium"?

Man... that's an oversight!

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I think selling isn't discussed here because the CRD payback vs v6 is far enough out that keeping the vehicle and running the wheels off of it is necessary. I disagree because I compare my payback against the Hemi and its only 80k miles. If added resale reduces my diesel adder from $1600 to $600 then payback is in 30k miles.

Good point.

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For mileage savings I base it off of the average 14 MPG my F150 gets now to the ~26 MPG the Jeep will get. That is a good 12 MPG difference which makes the return much quicker. (I math out the MPG instead of using the lying computer in the car)

Seeing as I use my truck rarely for the bed and I have a small trailer. I can use the trailer with the Jeep when neccessary and reap the MPG benefits always.

I need something with 4x4 and ground clearance since I normally am heading to work before the snow plows remove the foot of snow from the freeway during the winter. (Only 130 inches of snowfall last year)
I keep my cars a long time.

2002 GC $32,000.00
Sold in 2013 for $2500.00 Approx 7.8% 225K miles

Let's say it had the Diesel.

It would have been $36,500.00 * 7.8% = $2850.00

So I get back an additional $350.00, big whoop.

I know, I know because it's Diesel it's value will go up !! Dream on, I know that's how you convinced your spouse

2002 GC Body was rotting, rear suspension rotting (2nd time, 1st time cost me $1500), needed new Heater core ($1200.00). I was very lucky I got $2500.00. Engine and Transmission was fine. A diesel wouldn't make that much difference.

If you sell/lease every 3 years, you're spending mega bucks anyway. Why even talk about money savings.
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