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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

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Given the projected cost of the diesel engine $3,000-$4,000 even at 100,000 miles (savings $2,300 over V6) miles you will never recoup the added cost at purchase.
Yes, it will take much longer to recoup the cost when comparing it to the V6. But the diesel will appeal to consumers like me who need the towing power but would like to be able to drive from Phoenix to San Diego without having to figure out where in the desert might have a gas station.

The HEMI is a $1700 premium over the V6. The diesel will most likely cost an additional $2000 - $2300 on top of that (based on the MSRP of the diesel in the original WK). That $2000 - $2300 would be made up within the first 25,000 to 30,000 miles.

The maintenance cost argument is somewhat valid. You will be changing your oil more frequently (6000 miles vs 8000 miles) and your oil changes will require 10qts of oil instead of 6qts (V6) or 7qts (HEMI). You will also need to change the fuel filter ($50) every 24,000 miles. You however will not be changing spark plugs.

Even if you figure in the additional cost of maintence, you will make up the cost between the diesel and the HEMI in under 50,000 miles.
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

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Yes, it will take much longer to recoup the cost when comparing it to the V6. But the diesel will appeal to consumers like me who need the towing power but would like to be able to drive from Phoenix to San Diego without having to figure out where in the desert might have a gas station.

The HEMI is a $1700 premium over the V6. The diesel will most likely cost an additional $2000 - $2300 on top of that (based on the MSRP of the diesel in the original WK). That $2200 - $2300 would be made up within the first 25,000 to 30,000 miles.

The maintenance cost argument is somewhat valid. You will be changing your oil more frequently (6000 miles vs 8000 miles) and your oil changes will require 10qts of oil instead of 6qts (V6) or 7qts (HEMI). You will also need to change the fuel filter ($50) every 24,000 miles. You however will not be changing spark plugs.

Even if you figure in the additional cost of maintence, you will make up the cost between the diesel and the HEMI in under 50,000 miles.
The current CRD does not cost any more than the Hemi in other countries. Why would it cost more in the US?
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

Thrumcap- It will cost more in the US mainly because of the certifications required to run in the US.


rubicontrail.net - you might have lower oil costs as the previous diesel (WK) only required changes at 12,500 miles compared to the gasoline engines at 6,000 miles. Of course looking at the foreign the WKII diesel is recommend there at 10,000 KM or 6,000 miles. I guess we won't know for sure until they release it here.
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

It was my understanding that the CRD was designed to be 50 state compliant from the get-go. What certifications are required if it already meets requirements?
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

Longer range due to not having to stop for gas?

Hell, my prostrate makes me pull over long before the Hemi is thirsting for more.
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

Well we can talk numbers all day long, but to me i'll take the one that gets almost 25-30mpg without ever touching the highway :-) Mid to high teens of the V6 and V8 will just start to get darn right annoying especially with such a big tank. I know from experience, I have owned a Jeep SRT8 before.
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

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Well we can talk numbers all day long, but to me i'll take the one that gets almost 25-30mpg without ever touching the highway :-) Mid to high teens of the V6 and V8 will just start to get darn right annoying especially with such a big tank. I know from experience, I have owned a Jeep SRT8 before.
I agree. I have a Hemi in our Commander and love it. But what I love more is the thought of getting near-Hemi power AND fuel economy that is at least as good as our Outback (if not better).
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Longer range due to not having to stop for gas?

Hell, my prostrate makes me pull over long before the Hemi is thirsting for more.
Well in the desert you can always find a sage bush that needs watering, but unfortunately not as many oil wells.
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

Will the new diesel have the ability for mods? Just curious. I've seen first hand what a powerstroke or duramax can do with some upgrades and it is very impressive. Will this diesel be able to do the same? I dont know anything about diesels other than glow plugs and oil
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

Auto diesels are different than truck diesels. Truck (pickup) diesels (like the cummins) can take a lot of punishment and can run on a surprising variety of fuel. You can put a lot of miles on them, but if you do have a problem you are paying a top dollar tech for repairs.. and rebuilt injectors, for example, run $500 each. Car diesels are much more refined and tailored for more car performance, using sophisticated technology to get the HP drivers like. So that means they cost a lot as an option and also cost a lot for repair. I've been running a diesel RAM for several years (when diesel fuel was 50 cents less than gas) and fuel availability has not not an issue, fuel quality perhaps. You really don't want to deal with the expense of diesel gelling in cold weather or that small particle that got past the fuel filters and lodges in a $500 injector which doesn't close which then washes the lube off the cylinder which overheats and gets scored making for a $5000 engine repair if you were lucky enough to catch it in time (or $15,000 if not so lucky). You can pretty much replace an entire gas engine for that lucky price..... and there many more techs that can do the job. Who do you know that can change a twin turbo.

So yeah there is a large upside to a diesel if you plan a lot of miles, but its also rolling the dice. The one or two of you that do need a repair will certainly have second thoughts on the decision process.... perhaps. Just saying doing a comparison on fuel costs may be short sighted, not to mention that the emission footprint of a modern diesel is nothing to brag about.
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

Yea lack of mechanics, lack of my personal knowledge of diesels, and high cost of repairs.... I think I'll stick with the Hemi. Thanks for the info though. I worked with a guy who had a cummins and i remember him trying to find injectors. New ones for $500 each or a rebuild kit for $300 each plus labor! No thanks!!
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Re: "Yeah, but diesel costs more..."

I am missing something...

After spending $40K+ for a 5.7L Hemi in a vehicle that weighs over 2 tons, fuel economy was not even in my brain during the decision process. I prefer to make my 5.7L easily power my tank down the road vs running any engine harder to accomplish the same task. laws of physics says the same vehicle requires the same amount of work to go from a to b in fixed amount of time. why run WFO to accomplish the same work when you can do less? Diesels are cool for people with access to it, understand it, and who want to change more oil, more fuel filters, and plug it in during winter. if I was a farmer with access to cheap low suplhur diesel for less than 89 octane gas I would be all over it. But how many of those farmers can afford WK2's???

In countries other than USA diesel would be more cost effective due to cheaper prices. If i was in the middle east, i would be driving a T-72 russian tank due to diesel/gas being cheaper than water. Rolling black smoke, drag racing between stoplights.

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