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You can't see a clear bra. You do realize the difference right? It protects the paint but you can't tell it's even on there.

I'm not going with a CAI yet until I get the Bwoody long tube. Short ram CAI's still gulp hot air. Even wrapping the pipe won't change the air going into the filer which is still hot.

Kooks headers, pipes, cam, and tuner coming up this summer when I'm on vacation. So far just the Borla ATAK and catch can have dropped me to 4.1 0-60. Believe it or not, keeping that oil from blasting back into your intake will do wonders I the short and long term.

Just changing your exhaust and adding an oil catch can have dropped your 0-60 by .7 seconds over stock? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I've never heard of those kinds of gains from those two mods alone. I live at sea level and it took all of my modifications to drop me .6 seconds and that's with fine tuning on the dyno. I imagine if you had all the modifications I have then you'd be down in the 3's, and that just doesn't add up without having a blower. I have the Borla multi core series on my 5.7 and while it helped with performance, it certainly didn't increase my numbers by that much. The sound however is incredible. I'm curious what your 1/4 mile time is now as well. I realize the short ram is pulling hot air in because I've monitored the intake temps regularly. Under the thermal wrap, I also coated the tube with ceramic to help and the results were negligible at best. From everything I've read, catch cans are more cosmetic than anything and don't do anything for performance (which is why I haven't added one). Your the first SRT owner I've heard say otherwise.

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Just changing your exhaust and adding an oil catch can have dropped your 0-60 by .7 seconds over stock? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I've never heard of those kinds of gains from those two mods alone. I live at sea level and it took all of my modifications to drop me .6 seconds and that's with fine tuning on the dyno. I imagine if you had all the modifications I have then you'd be down in the 3's, and that just doesn't add up without having a blower. I have the Borla multi core series on my 5.7 and while it helped with performance, it certainly didn't increase my numbers by that much. The sound however is incredible. I'm curious what your 1/4 mile time is now as well. I realize the short ram is pulling hot air in because I've monitored the intake temps regularly. Under the thermal wrap, I also coated the tube with ceramic to help and the results were negligible at best. From everything I've read, catch cans are more cosmetic than anything and don't do anything for performance (which is why I haven't added one). Your the first SRT owner I've heard say otherwise.

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Where did you get .7? My stock 2015 Jeep SRT ran 4.2 consistently. After the exhaust swap and catch can she runs 4.1 now consistently. I was already running 4.2 when I made the changes, so that should settle the confusion and that .7 number.

Oil catch cans are not just a cosmetic addition to your engine. Rather than type out a long explanation for you I'm going to provide you with a link explaining exactly what they do, and why they are absolutely important to add to high performance engines like this. The reasons they don't come standard are the additional cost to add them, and perform maintenance on them. These were deemed an unnecessary expense. Of course a manufacture doesn't want your engine to live longer. They want you back to buy another one. Link is below:

Oil Catch Cans | Everything you need to know and more!

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Re: You have a new SRT and $4000 to start modding:

Also, a 180 Tstat is a waste of money. Why? Here's a link to a chat with an SRT Engineer that explains why. Completely unnecessary. Back in the day, yeah, but these are modern powerplants and there's a reason a 180 Tstat isn't already installed on that 392.

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Where did you get .7? My stock 2015 Jeep SRT ran 4.2 consistently. After the exhaust swap and catch can she runs 4.1 now consistently. I was already running 4.2 when I made the changes, so that should settle the confusion and that .7 number.



Oil catch cans are not just a cosmetic addition to your engine. Rather than type out a long explanation for you I'm going to provide you with a link explaining exactly what they do, and why they are absolutely important to add to high performance engines like this. The reasons they don't come standard are the additional cost to add them, and perform maintenance on them. These were deemed an unnecessary expense. Of course a manufacture doesn't want your engine to live longer. They want you back to buy another one. Link is below:



Oil Catch Cans | Everything you need to know and more!



...and finally...



http://www.shophemi.com/images/media..._ccv_bible.pdf

I'm not going to argue 0-60 times on a stock WK2 Jeep SRT, especially when the information can be found directly on the SRT website. Whether it's a 2014 or 2015 (launch control separates us from the earlier WK2 SRT's). From the factory 0-60 has been always been listed as 4.8 seconds and 1/4 mile in 13.6, never 4.2. My SRT brand new with no mods consistently ran 4.8 and 4.9. I know a few people with 2014 and newer SRTs that weren't running 4.2's stock either. You will only get those numbers by heavily modifying your Jeep. It sounds to me that your track slip application is off, which isn't uncommon either as my track slip says one thing and the slip they hand me at the track is usually 1/10th of a second faster. If you're truly running 4.2 stock then that's awesome... A supercharger would have your 5,300lbs Jeep blowing the doors off a Hellcat, considering you should drop 1.2 seconds off your 0-60 time by adding a blower. ImageUploadedByJeepGarage1458421473.413923.jpg


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Also, a 180 Tstat is a waste of money. Why? Here's a link to a chat with an SRT Engineer that explains why. Completely unnecessary. Back in the day, yeah, but these are modern powerplants and there's a reason a 180 Tstat isn't already installed on that 392.

Read: 180 tstat... good or bad? SRT engineers Chat Session - Dodge Charger Forums

Keeping your engine cooler will prolong the life of your engine, mechanics 101. It was $35 and 10 minutes well spent in my opinion.



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Keeping your engine cooler will prolong the life of your engine, mechanics 101. It was $35 and 10 minutes well spent in my opinion.



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So in other words you didn't read the conversation with the SRT Engineer. There's a reason other than emissions they went with a high Tstat.
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I'm not going to argue 0-60 times on a stock WK2 Jeep SRT, especially when the information can be found directly on the SRT website. Whether it's a 2014 or 2015 (launch control separates us from the earlier WK2 SRT's). From the factory 0-60 has been always been listed as 4.8 seconds and 1/4 mile in 13.6, never 4.2. My SRT brand new with no mods consistently ran 4.8 and 4.9. I know a few people with 2014 and newer SRTs that weren't running 4.2's stock either. You will only get those numbers by heavily modifying your Jeep. It sounds to me that your track slip application is off, which isn't uncommon either as my track slip says one thing and the slip they hand me at the track is usually 1/10th of a second faster. If you're truly running 4.2 stock then that's awesome... A supercharger would have your 5,300lbs Jeep blowing the doors off a Hellcat, considering you should drop 1.2 seconds off your 0-60 time by adding a blower. Attachment 66331


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It's accurate. Had it at the track already. What they say on the website is either an average, or just complete BS. The worst it ever ran was 4.5. These numbers aren't uncommon either. There are few people running high 3's that have confirmed the accuracy at the track. Some people get a faster one than others. No two engines will run equally, ever. I have videos of my runs on YouTube and Instagram.
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It's accurate. Had it at the track already. What they say on the website is either an average, or just complete BS. The worst it ever ran was 4.5. These numbers aren't uncommon either. There are few people running high 3's that have confirmed the accuracy at the track. Some people get a faster one than others. No two engines will run equally, ever. I have videos of my runs on YouTube and Instagram.

Well that's awesome then. I would call BS on any Jeep SRT running 3's that don't have blowers on them. The hellcat runs a 3.4 SUPERCHARGED... No way could a Jeep even be near that without a blower. I also have a YouTube channel dedicated to racing mine at the track. Granted... Tracks provide a 60ft time, not a 0-60mph time.


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So in other words you didn't read the conversation with the SRT Engineer. There's a reason other than emissions they went with a high Tstat.

I'll have to look up the article. The link you provided wouldn't open. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm basing what I've done off personal experience, knowledge, and a few of the local MOPAR performance shops mechanics advice. Emissions aren't something I'm concerned about here in Washington State. Hence the high flow cats.


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Wonder why that link won't open. I'll see if I can copy/paste the conversation then.
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Well that's awesome then. I would call BS on any Jeep SRT running 3's that don't have blowers on them. The hellcat runs a 3.4 SUPERCHARGED... No way could a Jeep even be near that without a blower. I also have a YouTube channel dedicated to racing mine at the track. Granted... Tracks provide a 60ft time, not a 0-60mph time.


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The owner of this site, Scott, runs in the high 3's if I'm not mistaken, and he doesn't have a supercharger on it. Ask him. Red SRT. Under 4 seconds 0-60.
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