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Old 09-20-2014, 12:03 PM
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Re: Livernois's Whipple supercharged 2014 SRT Jeep

Not sure what that means. I thought the dyno tells you the Peak numbers (hp/torque) at the end of the run. If not then where are the higher numbers coming from? Some other portion along the graph?


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Re: Livernois's Whipple supercharged 2014 SRT Jeep

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Not sure what that means. I thought the dyno tells you the Peak numbers (hp/torque) at the end of the run. If not then where are the higher numbers coming from? Some other portion along the graph?


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If you are talking about the quoted gains, those gains are based on where it made the largest improvements in the pull.

So, if at 3000 rpm a car makes 200rwtq before, but 250 peak rwtq at 4000, add a supercharger to it and now it makes 350rwtq at 3000 and that is now where it also is maxxed out, then it actually gained 150rwtq, not 100.
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Re: Livernois's Whipple supercharged 2014 SRT Jeep

Oh ok I see what you're saying.


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Re: Livernois's Whipple supercharged 2014 SRT Jeep

Ok, enough pussy footing around...
Man up and say WANT 1 if you are ready to order a kit and are just waiting on these guys to say kits are good to go.


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Re: Livernois's Whipple supercharged 2014 SRT Jeep

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We firmly believe that, while the 6.4 is weaker than say a 6.1 or 5.7, that all of these failures people have are tuning related. We have had many other supercharged builds from other companies come through on 6.4 cars and you'd be surprised how bad they perform and the tune is. I recall a Charger with a Magnuson coming in (tuned by an aftermarket company, not magnuson themselves) and it was 1.0 Lambda until 4000, and then was .95 until 4800, and then finally .75 at 5000 and up. The worst part is the customer was convinced the tune was fine and that the reason people are blowing them up was that the engines are just garbage.

now, we obviously are taking great care in making certain the tune is spot on, but we have zero worries about the finished product being safe and reliable on a stock engine. These are complicated to tune, and without the right knowledge, very easy to grenade due to the tune. The only thing that makes this platform unique is that so many other companies have convinced people that it's the engine's fault for failing, not the tune.




This is a simple one, peak gains vs. gains at peak power.

Many thanks for ur time to explain, kindly advise me if the kit for the 2012 is available with ur tuning, and if so can I order it now?
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Many thanks for ur time to explain, kindly advise me if the kit for the 2012 is available with ur tuning, and if so can I order it now?
We actually have a 2012 inbound for this now. Our goal was to tackle the much more complicated 2014 first and then back support the 12-13 as well.
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We actually have a 2012 inbound for this now. Our goal was to tackle the much more complicated 2014 first and then back support the 12-13 as well.
Well thats a good sign, it must mean the 14 is about done...
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Well thats a good sign, it must mean the 14 is about done...
not quite, but it gets closer every day. These take a great amount of time to do correctly. I think many people underestimate the time it takes to properly tune something complex like this. My case in point is they have been working on calibration for the Hellcat for over 3 years, with a whole team of calibrators. Unfortunately with calibration you never know how close you are until it's basically done.
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When your tuning is done will the kit be endorsed by Whipple warranty? The only reason I have not ordered it yet because whipple does not offer the warranty on the 2.9 yet. Thank you.
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When your tuning is done will the kit be endorsed by Whipple warranty? The only reason I have not ordered it yet because whipple does not offer the warranty on the 2.9 yet. Thank you.
Its not just that, But i spoke and emailed mike at wipple and i was very less then impressed with the replies to my questions, it was basically if you have a mod we wont touch you and it seemed very dictator like ..

bump the waiting for one...
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When your tuning is done will the kit be endorsed by Whipple warranty? The only reason I have not ordered it yet because whipple does not offer the warranty on the 2.9 yet. Thank you.
Whipple is in the process of finding a new warranty company to deal with. Unfortunately, the aftermarket is getting hammered by these companies out of greed. But to answer your question, no, the only way to get a whipple powertrain warranty is with a whipple tune. Our tune would not be compatible with their powertrain warranty option once they resume it.

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Its not just that, But i spoke and emailed mike at wipple and i was very less then impressed with the replies to my questions, it was basically if you have a mod we wont touch you and it seemed very dictator like ..

bump the waiting for one...
Truthfully, they are a company that gets everything CARB approved. Because of this they can't support something like headers as it would immediately lose their CARB status.
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Re: Livernois's Whipple supercharged 2014 SRT Jeep

So who is doing whipples tunes for them, it was rumored that you guys were. How conservative are they if anyone has any insight I would like to know.
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