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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

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Just ordered a pair of these from XenonDepot along with the plug n play harness that Raptor posted above (see post #127). Used a Halloween 5% off code for the lights and it came to $275 shipped which seems to be a pretty good price. Looking forward to getting them installed!
That's the same harness I bought and it didn't work on the vehicle side. The connecting pins are on the outside while the harness have them on the inside of the pin. Piece of cake to splice the cable though.

The best I can explain it is:

Truck pins are like [. .], while the harness is [ . . ]

They seem the same but the truck side holes for the pins are on the outer side (at least on my 2011).
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:55 PM
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

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That's the same harness I bought and it didn't work on the vehicle side. The connecting pins are on the outside while the harness have them on the inside of the pin. Piece of cake to splice the cable though.

The best I can explain it is:

Truck pins are like [. .], while the harness is [ . . ]
Well damn haha, guess I'll just splice then. Should have read the entire thread! Thanks for the info!
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

To any that have purchased the chrome lights, do you have any daytime pictures with the lights off? Thanks!
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

Did you solder black to red wire vs black to black and red to red wire?

http://autolumination.com/images/aut..._female_wm.jpg

If I get those to solder to the pigtails that come with the fogs am I going to do the same and not solder to the same color wire?

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I unsoldered the 5202 connectors from the iJDM adapters and soldered them onto the H10 pigtails provided by JW Speaker with the lights. Friday night install!
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This morning, I finally got the chance to get to work on this and as promised, here is the writeup and results!

Here's what I did...

First, I ordered the JW Speaker 6145 fog lights from Xenon Depot.


Then I ordered this harness (but I ended up just using the 5202 connector part, more on this later):


Here is the unboxing of the fog light assembly:






Okay, enough drooling over the quality, materials, and engineering (which is second-to-none). Let's get to installing these suckas'...

As others mentioned, you don't necessarily have to jack the vehicle up but I am sure it would help immensely. I have the RRO leveling kit on mine and didn't need to jack it up but a couple of times it was a bit of a tight fit, especially on the passenger side.

FYI, I found that the passenger side much easier to work on than the driver side due to having to work around the windshield washer fluid tank location.

So here's the tools I used:
  • 10mm socket
  • 7mm socket
  • Soldering iron & solder
  • Heat shrink tubing
  • Wire strippers/cutters
  • Red Bull (optional, but fun to have)
Plus...you will also be thankful to have something like this, now and for other things in the future. I use this thing all the time and it really made this job tons easier.


Start by turning the wheel/tire so the front of it is pointed away from the side you are working on. It will make your life much easier.

Undo the bolt with the 10mm socket and twist the fastener 90 degrees to remove as shown in this image (passenger side shown):


Move the inner fender well splash guard out of the way, bungee it back if necessary. Watch out for dirt and crap falling in your eyes.

Disconnect the harness from the factory fog light assembly and using the 7mm socket, remove the 3 screws that hold the assembly in place. You can see one screw is already undone (see arrow in the image below - the view you see is looking up from under the vehicle).


Now here's what I found out about the harness and such...

I ended up deciding to cut the 5202 connector off the harnesses that I bought and splice it to the JW Speaker fog light wiring because he H11 connector from the harness didn't fit quite right with the connector on the JW Speaker unit. There were enough differences that made me not feel comfortable with using it. However, the 5202 connector was a decent enough fit.

Once I cut the 5202 connector off, I had to test the polarity to make sure I would be splicing it in correctly. I attached the 5202 connector to the factory harness and then pulled it through the front of the fog light bezel hole like shown below. I made sure the wires were not touching each other and turned the light switch on.


Then I touched the wires of the 5202 harness with the wires on the fog light unit to verify (Again, if you do this, make sure you don't let the two factory wires touch each other!).

The polarities were reversed on both of the harnesses that I bought.


Once I determined which wire on the JW Speaker fog light worked with which wire on the connector, I soldered them together.

A word about soldering for those who haven't done it...
I know some of you guys are looking for a true "plug and play" solution, but it seems the jury is still out on whether one even exists. If you have never soldered before, it is easy. Head over to your local Harbor Freight or whatever hardware store and get a basic soldering iron and some soldering wire. Then watch this video:
How to solder wires together, easily and professionally - YouTube
See? Super easy and almost kinda fun. Even though we live in a predominantly "plug and play" world these days, having this skill and equipment around the house and garage can come in handy. No heat gun for the heat shrink tubing? Use a hair dryer (but Harbor Freight has a good heat gun for cheap as well).
I can assure you, this is a much better way to go than just twisting the wires together and wrapping with electrical tape. That will eventually fail on you. Soldering is the right way to go.

Here's is one all done (note that in this angle, it appears that all wires are soldered together, they are soldered and heat shrinked separately as they should be):


Once all soldered up, simply reinstall by putting the JW Speaker fog light in place where the OEM one was, putting the three screws back on, and plugging the harness back in.

Do one final test to make sure they still work.






In broad daylight...YIKES!


Repeat for the other side, of course. All good? Wait until dark to adjust!

(I went inside...goofed around for a while...watched the Detroit Lions blow it, etc.)

I went back outside, moved the Jeep back from my garage 25', measured the height of the center of the fog lights, and measured up the same height on the garage door. I turned the adjustment screws on back of the fog lights until the beam cutoff line was in the right place. I then put the 10mm bolts and plastic fasteners back in place on both sides and called it done.

NOW FOR THE RESULTS!

Factory fog lights at 25' (taken a few nights ago)


JW Speaker 6145 Fog Lights at 25' (taken tonight at approximately the same time as the previous photo - sorry for the rain on the windshield on this one)


It is tough to take photos in the dark with an iPhone, but it is without question that the JW Speaker lights are incredibly bright and the materials are top-notch, even/especially compared to OEM.

I am pretty glad that I got them. However, now it makes the headlights look sorta...bleh. I have been kicking around getting some LED headlight units. Maybe that is my next step.

If you have been thinking about getting these do it. They are definitely worth it. I am going to SEMA in a couple of weeks, I will see if I can find the JW Speaker booth and talk to them.

Until then, feel free to ask any questions.
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

Great write up J.....

You covered all the bases and the processes of getting it right.


This should help all those that are holding back on getting them cuz they are not plug and play.


I owned a soldering iron for ten years before I ever used it and when I wanted to learn I used three different youtube videos.

I actually picked up a soldering iron at walmart so no excuse if you don't have a harbor freight or radio shack nearby.
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

Thanks. I have had this soldering iron for about 4 years. This is the second time I have used it and it doesn't get anymore basic. I plug it in, it gets hot. However, I couldn't have made this install work without it.

If someone REALLY doesn't want to solder, they can use crimp-on butt connectors and heat shrink tubing. While most would prefer soldering, I am sure it would be fine for this implementation.
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WATacoRider: Yes, it is required.

JDebler: Great write up! Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together. Glad you're enjoying the JW Speaker 6145 LED fogs!

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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

I'm really not sure where you guys are getting the adaptor foglight harness....but here are two that claim to be, & should be, plug and play for Jeep applications with no polarity issues;

Plug And Play Wire Harness Adapter for Jeep JK LED Fog Lights

Jeep Wrangler JK LED Fog Light adapter Harnesses

Note that these are hand made, soldered and shrink wrapped and completely ready to go... true plug and play.
I realize these are marketed for Jeep Wrangler (JK) foglights but they should also work for Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK2) fogs as they both use the same OEM foglight with a 2504 bulb connector!

Also be aware everyone who has ordered the adapter harness from E-Bay has had polarity issues!

Don't go here! http://www.ebay.com/itm/380670720584?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p398 4.m1439.l2649
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I'm really not sure where you guys are getting the adaptor foglight harness....but here are two that claim to be, & should be, plug and play for Jeep applications with no polarity issues;

Plug And Play Wire Harness Adapter for Jeep JK LED Fog Lights

Jeep Wrangler JK LED Fog Light adapter Harnesses

I realize these are marketed for Jeep Wrangler (JK) foglights but they should also work for Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK2) fogs as they both use the same OEM foglight with a 2504 bulb connector!

Raptor DABITZ bought his adapter set from "Top Line" and stated his set did not work for him because as he described it had the 9005 female socket instead of the H11 female socket needed for the JW male plug installed.

Most of the adapters on the market are geared towards people wanting to power an HID ballast which used the industry standard 9005/9006 connnector

I have not doubt that the one from "Headlight Revolution" will work.

For me it is no big deal but it would not have killed JW speaker to add the 5202 socket as optional part of the fog kit for the folks that are hung up on them not being plug and play. JW's own compatibility list is almost equal for direct plug and splicing required.

Either way you are spending in the range of 10 to 20 dollars just to get the right ends whether you buy solder on connectors or a preassemble adapter harness.
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Raptor DABITZ bought his adapter set from "Top Line" and stated his set did not work for him.

I have not doubt that the one from "Headlight Revolution" will work.

For me it is no big deal but it would not have killed JW speaker to add the 5202 socket as optional part of the fog kit for the folks that are hung up on them not being plug and play. JW's own compatibility list is almost equal for direct plug and splicing required.

Either way you are spending in the range of 10 to 20 dollars just to get the right ends whether you buy solder on connectors or a preassemble adapter harness.

I don't know why that is......... as I recently helped a friend install a pair of JW Speaker 6145 fogs in his WK2 and the adaptor harness he purchased was from "Top Line". It was plug and play and worked perfectly.
If you find an issue and one or both lights don't illuminate try unplugging the connector and flipping it over and replugging it in. That should be all you need to do. No cutting or splicing required!
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