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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

I feel the JW's are brighter than my 4300k HIDS and the pics are nothing like they look in person.

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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

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I feel the JW's are brighter than my 4300k HIDS and the pics are nothing like they look in person.

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I think your pics clearly prove my point.
But man those fogs are aimed way to high to work as true fogs..... I guess you like them that way using them more as additional driving lights.
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

The Morimoto lights say they use "3W Philips Luxeon-T" LEDs.

The official release from JW Speaker states 1.60 Amps @ 12 volts.
That equates to 19.2W.

The PIAA LED fogs I originally put on my Jeep also state 3W LEDs.

A single JW Speaker fog light made it look like the PIAA wasn't even lit up (1 of each in the Jeep).

Look at my pics in this thread:
What's the verdict on LED headlight bulbs vs. HID?

The Morimoto fogs will still be better than OEM, but don't hold a candle (figuratively speaking) to the JW Speaker fogs.
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

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I think your pics clearly prove my point.
But man those fogs are aimed way to high to work as true fogs..... I guess you like them that way using them more as additional driving lights.
Yeah, I re-adjusted them a day after these pics, these were the first night shots after the install for comparison.
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

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I went a different route. Wanted the 2014 Projector Fogs with 3000K Yellow HID kit. Check out my thread on what I did.

2014 Fogs Retrofit to 2013 WK2
Great work Ken thanks for sharing another option. Sorting out a mod the first time may look laborious but after you give someone else the exact list of parts and steps it is not so daunting.

It's mods like yours that give other people inspiration to take the road less traveled when it comes to certain mods.
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

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How much easier do you want this install to be? Two OEM screws per light and a plug and play harness...... can it get any easier than that?

Why would the lights you linked to be easier? Because they have the right leads on them. The listing doesn't mention Jeep Wranglers so I'll assume they won't bolt right up like the JW Speaker fogs that were designed specifically for Wranglers and drop right in to several other mopar vehicles. Jeep Grand Cherokees just need an adapter harness for the JW Speaker fogs to work.......that's all, nothing else!
I did NOT say they are easier. I said they look easy based on the layout and measurements of the mounting tabs. Please don't put words in my mouth. The morimotos MIGHT be plug and play, but no one has tried it to confirm yet.


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Really?

Are you saying the JW Speaker fogs don't put out as much Lumens as those 3000K Hid's???

How much is your time worth? That complete retrofit is a lot more work than a plug and play install that requires the removal & reinstallation of 4 OEM screws!
The complete retrofit takes a bit of time, for someone doing it, but 1000 raw lumens does not compete against 3000k hids that are rated at 3000 raw lumens. If you want to compete colorwise, 5000k hids will blow the jwspeakers out of the water, which are also rated at 3000 lumens. And yes i am saying that the JW speakers will not put out as much lumens.

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The Morimoto lights say they use "3W Philips Luxeon-T" LEDs.

The official release from JW Speaker states 1.60 Amps @ 12 volts.
That equates to 19.2W.

The PIAA LED fogs I originally put on my Jeep also state 3W LEDs.

A single JW Speaker fog light made it look like the PIAA wasn't even lit up (1 of each in the Jeep).

Look at my pics in this thread:
What's the verdict on LED headlight bulbs vs. HID?

The Morimoto fogs will still be better than OEM, but don't hold a candle (figuratively speaking) to the JW Speaker fogs.
the morimotos are using 3x 3w leds, and they are rated at 10w draw. and are rated at 1200 raw lumens which is still higher then the jw speaker raw lumen ratings.


Not sure if someone can put the jw speakers on a bench psu to see if they are indeed drawing 1.6 amps. 20W is a lot of heat for the jw speakers.

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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

JW Speaker introduced a MAP pricing policy - which they enforce... You're not going to find that much variance in pricing - unless someone wants to compromise their ability to sell the product.

I'm a fan of the way the 6145 look - and the feedback has been fantastic:

JW Speaker Model 6145 | 4" Round LED Fog Light

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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

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JW Speaker introduced a MAP pricing policy - which they enforce... You're not going to find that much variance in pricing - unless someone wants to compromise their ability to sell the product.

I'm a fan of the way the 6145 look - and the feedback has been fantastic:

JW Speaker Model 6145 | 4" Round LED Fog Light

Steve

Steve you are right you won't have much luck getting a lower price unless you have a wholesale account or something like that.
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

[QUOTE=ufokillerz;1069000]I did NOT say they are easier. I said they look easy based on the layout and measurements of the mounting tabs. Please don't put words in my mouth. The morimotos MIGHT be plug and play, but no one has tried it to confirm yet.

So your recommending a LED fog that you have no experience with and no one you know has tried? It might be plug and play, but you don't really know? WHY?? Just to be different? Difficult? Argumentative? Your sig doesn't even list a Grand Cherokee, you drive a Durango why are you even posting Mod advice on a Grand Cherokee forum? The JW Speaker fogs ARE plug and play for people that actually own a 2011~2013 Grand Cherokee!



The complete retrofit takes a bit of time, for someone doing it, but 1000 raw lumens does not compete against 3000k hids that are rated at 3000 raw lumens. If you want to compete colorwise, 5000k hids will blow the jwspeakers out of the water, which are also rated at 3000 lumens. And yes i am saying that the JW speakers will not put out as much lumens.

Again how would you know this? Did you see any of the pics in this thread comparing JW Speaker fogs to the OEM HID headlights? Real world results posted for all to see! The OEM HID headlights, rated at ~3200 lumens @4300K color temp. CAN'T blow the JW Speakers "out of the water" But you claim somebody else's HID projector fog light mod will blow the JW Speaker fog light mod "out of the water"
Do you not believe what your eyes are telling you?
Do you have any real world side by side comparison results to show us? If you do, please post them!


the morimotos are using 3x 3w leds, and they are rated at 10w draw. and are rated at 1200 raw lumens which is still higher then the jw speaker raw lumen ratings.


Not sure if someone can put the jw speakers on a bench psu to see if they are indeed drawing 1.6 amps. 20W is a lot of heat for the jw speakers.

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Why do you think his pics have been doctored or are in some way a misrepresentation of the light output he claims for the JW Speaker fogs?
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

Here is a video of the Morimoto T-type T Xb led fogs on a 4 runner.



Guys can we keep this thread on target and contain the bickering.

The JWs are pricey but they are also effective as well as backed up by one heck of a warranty.

With that said that does not mean that a less expensive option wouldn't meet someone else's needs.

We all know raw specs are subjective.

The retrofit source has just announced that they are authorized to carry JW Speaker products.

So maybe you can ask them to do a youtube video comparing the output of the fogs.


Arguing about Candle power, Lumens and Kelvin won't get us anywhere.

Send Andrew or Zach an email and see if you can get them to do a comparison video on both fog/Auxiliary lights.
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

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Here is a video of the Morimoto T-type T Xb led fogs on a 4 runner.



Guys can we keep this thread on target and contain the bickering.

The JWs are pricey but they are also effective as well as backed up by one heck of a warranty.

With that said that does not mean that a less expensive option wouldn't meet someone else's needs.

We all know raw specs are subjective.

The retrofit source has just announced that they are authorized to carry JW Speaker products.

So maybe you can ask them to do a youtube video comparing the output of the fogs.


Arguing about Candle power, Lumens and Kelvin won't get us anywhere.

Send Andrew or Zach an email and see if you can get them to do a comparison video on both fog/Auxiliary lights.
Yes you are right. Not worth the argument.
It's just when someone who doesn't even own a Grand Cherokee posts questionable Mod advice towards the end of a 20+ page foglight upgrade thread about a product he hasn't even seen, in a thread he probably didn't even read completely..................
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Re: 2011-2013 Foglight upgrade Option

So your recommending a LED fog that you have no experience with and no one you know has tried? It might be plug and play, but you don't really know? WHY?? Just to be different? Difficult? Argumentative? Your sig doesn't even list a Grand Cherokee, you drive a Durango why are you even posting Mod advice on a Grand Cherokee forum? The JW Speaker fogs ARE plug and play for people that actually own a 2011~2013 Grand Cherokee!


I am on the Grand Cherokee Forum because many parts between the durango and WK2 are interchangeable.
I dont own a grand cherokee (researched extensively prior to the durango purchase) , but i am a proud supporter of the jeepgarage.
I merely suggested that these would work based on the drawings.
I am recommending a LED fog that i have experience with on ANOTHER vehicle. I know it is bright.



I have hands on experience with hids fogs ( in the durango fog projectors) that share a projector design with the WK2 Jeeps. ( My first post in this thread were in reference to the projector fog hids, which you replied that they aren't as bright as the JW speaker fogs, I posted in the thread to question the "facts" that you posted about HIDS fogs not being as bright as JW speaker fogs, only to be brushed off as being a troll for not being a WK2 owner)

And i have hands on experience with the morimoto leds.


Again how would you know this? Did you see any of the pics in this thread comparing JW Speaker fogs to the OEM HID headlights? Real world results posted for all to see! The OEM HID headlights, rated at ~3200 lumens @4300K color temp. CAN'T blow the JW Speakers "out of the water" But you claim somebody else's HID projector fog light mod will blow the JW Speaker fog light mod "out of the water"
Do you not believe what your eyes are telling you?
Do you have any real world side by side comparison results to show us? If you do, please post them!
I am comparing numbers. Usable light is not something we can measure with our eyes alone, because of the tendency of the human eye to perceive 5000k light as brighter then 4300k. Just because it looks brighter does not mean that there is more usable light output. I spent many years in the flashlight industry and have dealt extensively with Hids, Leds, optics etc.



Why do you think his pics have been doctored or are in some way a misrepresentation of the light output he claims for the JW Speaker fogs?

I don't believe they are doctored, but taking pictures at auto setting could have varied results due to the way the sensor perceives light. Everyone in the lighting industry knows that you need to use manual settings to achieve a true comparison. Also Headlights designed to project distance lighting and minimize foreground lighting, will look different compared to fog lights that are designed to project foreground lighting and being aimed up to provide distance lighting. You need them aimed at the same level to provide more meaningful output shots.
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