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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

I hope you guys get it working. Would love a readily available harness.

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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

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The Morimoto harness I am using:
H13/9008 Mopar MotoControl Bi-xenon Harness : Relay Wire Harnesses : Morimoto HID

It's a H13 harness and I used an H13 pigtail just to keep from cutting up the Morimoto harness. It is not really needed; you could just cut off the H13 connector and hard-wire the H11 and 9005 connectors to the Morimoto harness. The Morimoto harness handles the low and high beam functions; this I have verified. I guess you don't really need two relays for the parking light/DRL function; you only need one to provide a signal to both parking lights/DRL LEDs since they don't have to operate individually. I should have everything I need by Wednesday, though I was really hoping for some input and/or critiques on my schematic before pulling the bumper cover for the third time.
I hear ya, removing the front bumper is sort of a PITA. I know you've eluded to the fact that you've tried this a few times before, but you never mentioned what did, and didn't work for you. Knowing what you had trouble with would help me focus on that more. I follow all the pin out wiring except pin 4. I know what your trying to accomplish, but I need to look into it a little more. The harness you spec seems to have everything you'd need for the HID portion, but couldn't you accomplish the same thing with a H11 harness and add the resistors, capacitors and canbus links? With the other harness your paying for ballasts which are built into the headlight unit.

There has to be others interested, and capable of helping with this solution. Were close, just need a few finishing touches. I don't want to be the only one throwing bad ideas at rt66er.

We all appreciate your dedication and hard work thus far though! When we get this working you could have a small side business!
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:57 PM
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

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I hear ya, removing the front bumper is sort of a PITA. I know you've eluded to the fact that you've tried this a few times before, but you never mentioned what did, and didn't work for you. Knowing what you had trouble with would help me focus on that more. I follow all the pin out wiring except pin 4. I know what your trying to accomplish, but I need to look into it a little more. The harness you spec seems to have everything you'd need for the HID portion, but couldn't you accomplish the same thing with a H11 harness and add the resistors, capacitors and canbus links? With the other harness your paying for ballasts which are built into the headlight unit.

There has to be others interested, and capable of helping with this solution. Were close, just need a few finishing touches. I don't want to be the only one throwing bad ideas at rt66er.

We all appreciate your dedication and hard work thus far though! When we get this working you could have a small side business!
The only real trouble I had on the first try was the turn signals, which happens to be the pin 4 circuit. I believe the diodes added to the new harness should fix that. As far as using the Morimoto HID harness: it does not duplicate the ballasts, but provides a more robust and reliable relay box. But you are right that there are simpler ways of achieving the HID headlight function. I like this because, well, headlights are kinda important, so I erred on the side of caution (and only spent an extra $30 or so over what it would cost to duplicate piece-meal).

And, FYI, there's no way I would build and sell these myself. First, they are a PITA to build, and second (and most important) I would not want the legal liability. I will absolutely share anything I learn, but as far as construction goes, you're on your own.
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

Sorry guys, been super busy lately. This is what I could come up with based on using a TRS Mopar Specific Bi-Xenon Harness and modifying. Please note, I have no way of testing, because I have factory HID's. I'm not CAD trained... So MS Paint is the extent of my skill set. I have not added the turn signals, running lights, or DRL's to circuit, because that would be a separate harness that would be added to the 16 pin Molex connector.
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

I believe I have finally achieved success. Worked on it most of the day Thursday and Friday and, boy, did I have a lot of stuff wrong. Well, mainly little details, but the devil is in the details. I have posted my revised schematic below. As I have said before, I'm certain that there's more than one way to do this, but this works on my 2015 Limited. The "bulb out" sensitivity is ridiculously picky. The resistors that came with the Morimoto harness weren't necessary for the headlights to work and when I plugged them in, the turn signals quit working. So, I left them out. The capacitor included with the Morimoto harness is required. I went ahead and used two relays for the DRLs, though it's not necessary; one would work to power both DRLs. I already had them installed this way and since it works I didn't want to attempt any changes.
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

Took it out for a shake-down and headlight aiming and the right turn signal is hyper flashing. Crap. Actually the turn signal in front and back is flashing normal. The mirror signal is hyper flashing. I guess I'll go back in (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and re-install the relay on the right side turn signal circuit.
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

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Took it out for a shake-down and headlight aiming and the right turn signal is hyper flashing. Crap. Actually the turn signal in front and back is flashing normal. The mirror signal is hyper flashing. I guess I'll go back in (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and re-install the relay on the right side turn signal circuit.
FYI, when I put Philips LED turn signal bulbs in the rear only with NO resistors, only the mirrors hyper-flashed and the flasher sound in the cabin was twice as fast. F/R turn signals did not hyperflash.

It sounds like there is insufficient load on the turn signal circuit.
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

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The standard halogen headlights use a Molex MX150 4-pin connector for the low beams and 9005 connector for the high beams:


do you have more information on the Molex MX150 4pin and connector that would plug into 9005? where we can purchase? The 9005 connector looks almost like a DELPHI/PACKARD METRI-PACK 150 SERIES to me
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

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do you have more information on the Molex MX150 4pin and connector that would plug into 9005? where we can purchase? The 9005 connector looks almost like a DELPHI/PACKARD METRI-PACK 150 SERIES to me
I ordered them from CycleTerminal.com:
Molex-MX150

It's the MX-150 4-pin housing male. You will also need 2 male terminal pins (toward the bottom of the page).
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

Please disregard any and all previous schematics. I am not the right person to be acting like I know anything. I am only posting this latest version because it appears to work. So far. I am cautiously optimistic. If I had it to do over, I would probably get rid of the second relay for the DRLs; it just adds cost and complexity and is not really needed. I would also try running a capacitor across the turn signal positive and negative to smooth out the PWM signal running to the turn signal. As it is, the turn signals appear to "flicker" just a bit. Although, hey, when I'm driving I can't see 'em anyway, right? If this continues to operate properly for a week or so, I will try to post a complete parts list to go along with the schematic.
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

Keep us posted! The turn signal is the key circuit and is not easy by any means. Im glad you have it working, looks like you've situated the diode placement.

As for the flickering, check the attachment out and see if you agree. This is close to your circuit with some minor differences.
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Re: 2014 Jeep OEM Projected headlight to OEM HID headlight

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Keep us posted! The turn signal is the key circuit and is not easy by any means. Im glad you have it working, looks like you've situated the diode placement.

As for the flickering, check the attachment out and see if you agree. This is close to your circuit with some minor differences.
Thanks for the input. I'm still not there yet. Still getting hyper flash on mirror turn signals (and bulb out warnings). I'm a little unclear on your first diagram. Could you define what colors go to which circuits?
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