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Old 08-21-2014, 02:58 PM
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Re: Blind Spot Mirrors

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Even properly adjusted, if you compared the mirrors side by side, whether you move your head etc or not. These mirrors provide a wider view and have a built in aspherical part towards the outside of the mirror that works very well at blindspots. Yes 200 bucks is not cheap, but these are oem with all the functions the WK2/WDS would have. 200 bucks is cheap insurance.

With these mirrors, you see everything, and not just part of the blind spot, or what is behind you.
Fine that you bought them, great. But others should know that properly adjusted, there is no blind spot. And it's not just true of the JGC, but nearly every car I've ever driven. The blind spot is due to poorly adjusted side mirrors, nothing else.

So you bought $200 of insurance against what exactly? I'm sure you see more, but I am also sure you see more of stuff that doesn't matter, you're not seeing more of anything you might run into, or turn into.

So you have the option of buying these mirrors OR correctly adjusting your side mirrors to eliminate the blindspot, or perhaps both. Which route you take is up to you, but it's not really "insurance", it's more like a $200 preference. Are they better? Yes, they are, I agree. Are they necessary to help you see into your "blind spot"? I'd have to say no.

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Old 08-21-2014, 03:13 PM
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Re: Blind Spot Mirrors

Most people recognize that most vehicles have blind spots. I won't argue with you, you can keep you beliefs.

Just don't tell the engineers who designed this system. You might depress them.

"BLIND SPOT MONITORING (BSM) — IF
EQUIPPED
The Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) system uses two radarbased
sensors, located inside the rear bumper fascia, to
detect highway licensable vehicles (automobiles, trucks,
motorcycles, etc.) that enter the blind spot zones from the
rear/front/side of the vehicle."



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Most people recognize that most vehicles have blind spots. I won't argue with you, you can keep you beliefs.

Just don't tell the engineers who designed this system. You might depress them.

"BLIND SPOT MONITORING (BSM) — IF
EQUIPPED
The Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) system uses two radarbased
sensors, located inside the rear bumper fascia, to
detect highway licensable vehicles (automobiles, trucks,
motorcycles, etc.) that enter the blind spot zones from the
rear/front/side of the vehicle."


I would argue that BSM systems (which I have in my Overland, by the way) are primarily to cover for people who don't know how to adjust their mirrors or are simply not paying attention, we all know there are plenty of both kinds of drivers out there. If I had to guess (and yes, 90% of statistics are made up on the spot, including this one) 90% of drivers have no clue how to adjust their side mirrors properly. I know I didn't until I had been driving for several years. My parents certainly didn't know!

But I'd be careful about using a feature to argue anything, features are often more about marketing than need.
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Re: Blind Spot Mirrors

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Fine that you bought them, great. But others should know that properly adjusted, there is no blind spot. And it's not just true of the JGC, but nearly every car I've ever driven. The blind spot is due to poorly adjusted side mirrors, nothing else.

So you bought $200 of insurance against what exactly? I'm sure you see more, but I am also sure you see more of stuff that doesn't matter, you're not seeing more of anything you might run into, or turn into.

So you have the option of buying these mirrors OR correctly adjusting your side mirrors to eliminate the blindspot, or perhaps both. Which route you take is up to you, but it's not really "insurance", it's more like a $200 preference. Are they better? Yes, they are, I agree. Are they necessary to help you see into your "blind spot"? I'd have to say no.
Hypothetically, please tell me if there will be blind spots if i had a fully loaded trunk area from top to bottom, blocking off my rear view mirror, and how your mirrors will work for you in this case. also hypothetically you have 3 tall passengers sitting in your middle row, obstructing atleast 50% of the rear view mirror, please tell me these mirrors serve no purpose.
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Hypothetically, please tell me if there will be blind spots if i had a fully loaded trunk area from top to bottom, blocking off my rear view mirror, and how your mirrors will work for you in this case. also hypothetically you have 3 tall passengers sitting in your middle row, obstructing atleast 50% of the rear view mirror, please tell me these mirrors serve no purpose.
If this happens to you a lot, or if you tow a lot, "your" mirrors are better. In fact I'd argue that there are better options still - you want the mirrors to be out as far as possible to get a better angle. When the back seat is full of passengers, I can see "through" them enough that they don't block the view of cars behind me (I haven only one row to worry about). If you pack your cargo area so full of cargo you can't use your rear view, you fall into the "towing" category.

But I have to say, you're getting defensive and missing the entire point. Mirrors should be adjusted according to the link I posted regardless whether they are "yours" or "mine".
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Re: Blind Spot Mirrors

Maybe I'm oversimplifying or just plain wrong but.

With stock mirrors you can see this much. (----)
And with the euro mirrors you can see this much. (-------)
How does that not equate to better or safer?

In the time it takes you lean your head to gain the added visibility, screech there's the bumper meets wall moment or oops, there's someone that just entered the lane next to you..or since you're looking away longer, some douche just slammed on their brakes in front of you.. That takes 1/100 second, far less than the extended length of time you're looking in your side mirror. I'm cool with $200
This is not a discussion based on opinion when it's measurably more you get in your field of vision. If you want to pay for more, good, if not you get less.
I know it's skill we lack otherwise we wouldn't need bigger mirrors.. I'm cool with that too, been doing this a while.
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Maybe I'm oversimplifying or just plain wrong but.

With stock mirrors you can see this much. (----)
And with the euro mirrors you can see this much. (-------)
How does that not equate to better or safer?

In the time it takes you lean your head to gain the added visibility, screech there's the bumper meets wall moment or oops, there's someone that just entered the lane next to you..or since you're looking away longer, some douche just slammed on their brakes in front of you.. That takes 1/100 second, far less than the extended length of time you're looking in your side mirror. I'm cool with $200
This is not a discussion based on opinion when it's measurably more you get in your field of vision. If you want to pay for more, good, if not you get less.
I know it's skill we lack otherwise we wouldn't need bigger mirrors.. I'm cool with that too, been doing this a while.
Again, missing the point. This post was about the supposed "need" for these mirrors to eliminate the blind spot. My point was and is that you can accomplish the same blind spot elimination by adjusting your stock mirrors correctly. WHICH, by the way, is something you should do no matter which mirrors you have.

IF you want "better" mirrors for some other reason, so be it, but they are not necessary to eliminate the blind spot.
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Re: Blind Spot Mirrors

I'm gonna make a guess that there might be a particular seat position, that if you are a particular height, you might be able to adjust the mirror to tune out the blind spot.

If it could be done universally, more than a few people would know about it. Further, the federal and state sponsored defensive driving classes would stress this. Instead they spend a lot of time talking about blind spots.

Repeating it over and over again on the internet, telling everyone who disagrees with you that they just don't understand won't change many opinions.


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OR you could just adjust your mirrors properly. I've been using this method for YEARS, my wife too. It took a week or two to get used to it, now I can't drive a car without adjusting them properly.

Then you can avoid the one Con KJPECHO missed: Cost. My "fix" is free!

You got it. You shouldn't see your own car when side view mirrors are correctly adjusted. As you said... FREE!


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I'm gonna make a guess that there might be a particular seat position, that if you are a particular height, you might be able to adjust the mirror to tune out the blind spot.

If it could be done universally, more than a few people would know about it. Further, the federal and state sponsored defensive driving classes would stress this. Instead they spend a lot of time talking about blind spots.
Perhaps you should try it and see for yourself. Or, don't take my word for it. Google it! There are plenty of reputable sources that agree with me.

Hell, even the NYS DMV suggests it. Car talk, Wiki, car and driver, AAA and many, many, many others. I guess we're all wrong?
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A statement like that while warranting some concern isn't valid without at least some explanation. What's a major thing to some might be acceptable to others. Or more importantly some might not heed your warning beause its vague and go at it anyway only to get shafted for a couple hundred bucks. You can say I told you so then or..
Sorry but more clarification will save others. Maybe just a highlight real.

I'm on the fence since I have seen the benefits of these but since I have mirrors and a better use for $200 the sellers integrity makes a big difference. Am i missing it or did anyone find out what the dealer would charge for the glass.
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Re: Blind Spot Mirrors

After driving with these for a few days, the best thing about these mirrors is that when driving on the highway and switching lanes. You not only see the lane next to you....but you also see the lane next to that. So you can see 2 lanes over....why is this important?

How many times have you gone to switch lanes on the highway and someone two lanes over from you, which is going slightly faster than you, switches into the same lane as you at the same time?

I drive non-stop in Chicago and the traffic is pretty terrible at all times. People switch lanes like its going out of style to try and get around traffic. And being able to see 2 lanes over is HUGE!
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