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Old 01-21-2013, 06:17 PM
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Re: Do I need the clear bra or no?

I'm not the king of anything...I just spent a month researching this and all the different options leading up to having the Ventureshield installed on my Lexus. I know a *lot* about it now because of it.

This started by you asserting that people have PPF installed on rough textured plastic, which is incorrect, and you asserting that PPF would keep the black plastic from fading...and that you were going to do this "as a business"...which is incorrect. You said they sell matte PPF...which is also incorrect. Vinyl wrap and PPF are different products.

Even if they weren't, vinyl wrap cannot be applied to textured plastic either. We have a Ford Transit Connect for business that we have wrapped with 3M vinyl wrap and the textured bumpers cannot be wrapped.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:26 PM
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So your month of internet searches outweighs mine with the help of a very experienced wrap installer? Ok BTW the business was not based on being able to put ppf on textured plastic it was purely ppf installation. When the subject was brought up I asked my friend the wrap guy and he said "there is matte vinyl available in clear that will stick to the textured bumper" I apparently got my product lines crossed when this whole thing started or did the ultimate no no and assumed he understood I was asking about the vinyl product when he told me "its that Ventureshield in the brochure you have" That being said I am interested in the reply you get from 3M

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Old 01-21-2013, 06:36 PM
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Re: Do I need the clear bra or no?

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So your month of internet searches outweighs mine with the help of a very experienced wrap installer?
If you /they think they make matte PPF, and that PPF can be installed on textured plastic or that it is done so as you said with authority at the onset of this, that PPF provides UV protection to the surface its applied on...then yeah obviously it does because ALL of those statements are wrong.

People look to this site and thread for advice, you posted statements said with authority that were wrong and I corrected them. It was your refusal to acknowledge that you were wrong even after I and others posted numerous cites that proved you were wrong that started this whole thing.

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When the subject was brought up I asked my friend the wrap guy and he said "there is matte vinyl available in clear that will stick to the textured bumper" I apparently got my product lines crossed when this whole thing started or did the ultimate no no and assumed he understood I was asking about the vinyl product when he told me "its that Ventureshield in the brochure you have" That being said I am interested in the reply you get from 3M
Had you just admitted this at the outset and not been so hell bent that you were right when you obviously weren't it would have saved all of us this.

However, if he is saying that Ventureshield is this matte vinyl that will adhere to textured bumpers...he's wrong. I have the Ventureshield PPF product and it is not as he describes, and a simple internet search will verify that he is wrong.

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BTW the business was not based on being able to put ppf on textured plastic it was purely ppf installation.
All kidding aside, if you want to do this for a living you have a long way to go in terms of product knowledge. Like I said...I only spent a month researching this and obviously there is a divide between our knowledge.

You can't learn about something if you go in thinking that you know it all...you really, really don't. Every installer I spoke to was incredibly knowledgable about this product, if you want people to trust you enough to pay you to do it to their cars...you have a long way to go.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:47 PM
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Exactly how would a barrier (uv block coating) which is between the sun (uv light) and the substrate(in this case paint or plastic smooth or otherwise) not provide uv protection to everything and everything behind that barrier ? It can't.

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Re: Do I need the clear bra or no?

Then you're saying that 3M and all the other manufacturers of PPF are lying.

If the PPF shielded the paint from UV, there would be a marked difference between the color of the areas where the film was and where it was not. There is not supposed to be any difference when the film is removed, as has been stated by me, other posters here, quoted from 3M's FAQ, and is purported in articles and on websites all over the internet.

The film and the substrate have different tolerances when it comes to UV exposure. The coating protects the film from yellowing, but is not significant enough to keep the substrate below it from fading at the same rate as the substrate which is not coated. This is the assertion of PPF manufacturers. Exactly what experience or credentials do you have to refute that? You certainly have not shown us that you have any experience or knowledge about this product or topic whatsoever!
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Just going off what 3M stated and simple physics. Other than your extensive one months research on the internet and the fact that you could write a check to have it applied to your Lexus what qualifies you to deny the laws of physics? Possibly the fact that you drive a Lexus ? You seem like the kind of person that when you hired someone to build your coach house (garage to non Lexus drivers) if you saw the carpenter ripping down a 2x8 because he was shorted on 2x6 you would argue that it wouldn't be as safe.

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Re: Do I need the clear bra or no?

You have to understand what 3M told you in their email, thats the issue, and you don't understand it. Just Google and read, hundreds of pages worth of information on the subject are out there. They are pretty clear about it, the UV inhibitants in the film protect the film from yellowing, but do not protect the paint from fading.

And if you want to try and make fun of me for being successful and having a Lexus, knock your socks off. GC SRT8 costs more than my Lexus, so I don't see it as any sort of defining thing about me VS members here, but if it upsets you I'm sorry.
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My point is you say Lexus like its a big deal...its a damn Toyota with an extra inflated pricetag. I understand what the 3M rep said very well you just refuse to accept that it has no choice in the matter just as insulation in a house is designed to keep cold out it has the added benefit of keeping warm in. Is it as efficient at it? No because of a vapor barrier that allows it to "breathe". The paint and ppf do definitely have a different tolerance to UV exposure that is undeniable but you cannot alter the absolute fact that a barrier is a barrier regardless of what is behind it. That said I await the response you get from 3M it will be interesting to see if they give the same information.

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Re: Do I need the clear bra or no?

How difficult is it to maintain the line of the bra? I hear wax and dirt builds up there.
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My point is you say Lexus like its a big deal...its a damn Toyota with an extra inflated pricetag.
Why are you even bringing my Lexus up when thats not at all the topic of this discussion? Jealous much?

LOL, its a brand of car. I had the clear bra installed on my Lexus, not my Jeep. What should I call it but not the brand of car that it is? If it were a Toyota, I'd call it a Toyota. If it were a Honda I'd call it a Honda. Its a Lexus and I call it a Lexus.

If you sensed me purporting that my Lexus was a big deal...then thats on you, not me. In fact, did you not read further up in the thread where I extolled how much better the paint was on the Jeep than the Lexus? How my Jeep doesn't need a clearbra because the paint doesn't chip, while the paint on the Lexus chips terribly?

The Jeep is a great vehicle, the Lexus is a great vehicle, in different ways. If you can afford a WK2 you can afford a Lexus. You can try and insult me by saying its a "Toyota with an inflated price tag", but I couldn't care less what you think of what I drive.

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How difficult is it to maintain the line of the bra? I hear wax and dirt builds up there.
I haven't had it on mine long enough to know, but so far so good. When you wax you should avoid the line.

I think if you're going to be washing regularly you're going to be fine.
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I have a sneakin' suspicion we're not done, fire up the popcorn maker!
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