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Re: HID retrofit on the 70th

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Cutting the lens was way fun than struggling with the permaseal. I did seal the bulb area. I figured since the lights didn't come with vents so may be I shouldn't have any breathing ports.
They still have to go through rain. So we'll see. I might consider breathing ports if i get any condensation.
Our light DO have vents, they are the two gray square looking caps on both sides of the housing. I added another vent under the right one on this picture.



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Old 08-07-2012, 09:05 AM
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Re: HID retrofit on the 70th

If sealed correctly (and with the right stuff) you shouldn't need additional venting. The biggest misconception is that there is water inside the lens, when in some gases it's the gases from the incorrectly used glue/seal. If that's the case, it takes a lot of cleaning up to do, it doesn't just disappear.

My opinion, go without any vents, properly seal it and you will be fine. IF there is condensation than go about adding vents.
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Re: HID retrofit on the 70th

I had no idea what those white tubs are there for...Now I know. Thanks Billybrun.
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What not use OEM lights?

Curious, why not see if OEM HID lights are available and would readily fit? Might be more $$, but seems far less risky than cutting up factory lights which to many could affect resale value.

There has to be a way to get the lights open or modify w/o cutting. Either way, this thread solidifies my intent to buy a factory HID equipped vehicle when my wife decides she is ready for a JGC again. The Overland has potential.
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Re: HID retrofit on the 70th

Minus a few nice, luxury vehicles, most projector equipped vehicles still have very poor lighting, cutoff, dispersion, etc. In most cases the projector itself is built around a specific bulb, with very little concern for the above mentioned.

Selling a well done headlight retrofit can go for a lot of money. Unless I have a really nice OEM projector, I will always retrofit it from here on out. The difference isn't even close.

Plus the whole process is fun and enjoyable.
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Minus a few nice, luxury vehicles, most projector equipped vehicles still have very poor lighting, cutoff, dispersion, etc. In most cases the projector itself is built around a specific bulb, with very little concern for the above mentioned.

Selling a well done headlight retrofit can go for a lot of money. Unless I have a really nice OEM projector, I will always retrofit it from here on out. The difference isn't even close.

Plus the whole process is fun and enjoyable.
I've yet to see a road legal aftermarket kit beat quality OEM as in my 335xi or previous similar vehicles. "Road legal" is the key here. There are quite a few illegal ones that from the driver's perspective are great but not so much for oncoming traffic. Equally relevant is reliability. I've read innumerable horror stories about aftermarket ballasts & bulbs crapping out.

What troubles me about this setup is the cutting of light housings. Age & experience have taught me that such mods may be OK at first, but don't tend to age well. For me, any JGC in our future will have factory HID lights. There will be easily reversible mods like a V1 and laser interceptor, of course. Can't drive without some protection from the revenue generators. Has anyone figured out how to separate the assembly without cutting or transplant a factory HID light?

Must be age again, but the thought of removing all that trim, etc is unpleasant. No time considering a zillion pressing family & job obligations. I nonetheless give credit to the OP for taking such a risk and coming out OK thus far.
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Re: HID retrofit on the 70th

Any alteration to a headlight is considered illegal. I have never heard of a police officer giving someone a ticket for a well done headlight retrofit, especially if it looks OEM.

A proper projector will have a cutoff to reduce any type of glare normally caused by a poor projector and reflector housing. Are the illegal headlights you speak the simply PnP China HID systems plugged into a reflector housing or are they true retrofits?

Check out HIDPlanet.com when you have time. Most of the folks over there are very good about making sure their system follows the necessary aiming guidelines, etc. Heck, they even have a "fail thread" for those who think plugging a 55W hid system into their reflector housing is a good idea.

To go on about cutting up the headlight, that is simply due to the new seal being put into these housings. Most of the older headlights can be baked open in the oven at a low temperature for 8-20 minutes. After that it's a matter of separating the lens from the housing (zero cutting). Unfortunately for retrofitters, most of the new housings have what's called Perma-seal. Unlike the cheaper seals used in the older vehicles, it won't crack or soften from the headlight temperature (a.k.a. last longer). That seal can also be softened, but it takes a much greater temperature to do so...hot enough that the headlight will melt long before the glue will soften.

It's the risk when opening up headlights, but the end is well worth it. I hacked the heck out of my Fusion headlights and I never saw any sealant issues.
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I did a retrofit some years ago....

Did one 7 years ago or so with a kit from xenon depot using, if I recall correctly, OEM grade components on an 06 Lexus GX. Worked ok, but I still prefer OEM. Even my wife's current van (Sienna) has factory HID lights, albeit low beam only.

I could never bring myself to cut up housings, but understand why some may wish to try. Checked out the HIDplanet site. Way cheaper than I paid 6-7 years ago and appears to be well advanced. They now have true bi-xenon kits.

Still, I lack the time and interest in such extensive & potentially costly errors. At this point in life it is worth it for me to hire others with more experience who have already made mistakes & learned from them. For me, OEM is the way to go. Even a top of the line JGC is, what, 40-43K? Way cheaper than the BMWs I've had & have now, so getting factory HID is for me.

Oh yeah, I have heard of tickets given to the blue-purple light & fart can equipped cars. It happens. My old GX drew no attention as it was essentially factory in appearance. I'm just one of those who values factory over almost all else. I'm still amazed that people had the cajones to cut their lighting assemblies in half!
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Re: HID retrofit on the 70th

Anyone driving around with blue or purple lights needs to be pulled over. That is one thing I cannot stand. The most I'll "accept" is 6000k, even that's pushing it.

Theretrofitsource.com is the way to go for any complete kits, parts, etc. Wonderful customer service and everything they sell is at an affordable price.

Retrofitting certainly isn't for everyone. I never intended to do one, however, I ended up completely a retrofit on one of the more difficult headlights out there (on my first attempt). I ended up doing 1 1/2 more, one of them was on a vehicle I never even touched. Just one of those things I enjoy and like. Plus when I found out some retrofitting companies will charge $1100-$1300+ I said the heck with it. For 1/4 of the price I can do what I want, at my own pace.
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Minus a few nice, luxury vehicles, most projector equipped vehicles still have very poor lighting, cutoff, dispersion, etc. In most cases the projector itself is built around a specific bulb, with very little concern for the above mentioned.

Selling a well done headlight retrofit can go for a lot of money. Unless I have a really nice OEM projector, I will always retrofit it from here on out. The difference isn't even close.

Plus the whole process is fun and enjoyable.
He speaks the truth. I personally was hooked after my first retrofit in a 2000 Celica with FX-R projectors. Also, I have seen the factory WK2 HID light, they're not what I was looking for, they motivated me to retrofit mine.

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