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Old 12-20-2011, 09:34 AM
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Re: JRoll's Uber-Tech Cabin Filter for WK2

Interesting.
I go past a chemical recycling plant every day.
Smells like strong sulfur. And stays in the car for 10minutes.
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Re: JRoll's Uber-Tech Cabin Filter for WK2

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Ok so I got my alternate vendor to get the carbon filter down to a reasonable price. Going to get some made after the new year. Some details, they have a poly filtering media filled with active carbon and alumina these products remove dust as well as odors. The filters have an internal metal frame so that they seal around the edges, this is important because any air leakage would allow odors in the cabin. The idea behind this concept of using this product came from driving by a sewage treatment plant everyday as well as noticing that my WK2 would not stay in recerc mode to avoid the smells. These filters are not washable, they will be disposable and there longevity will be entirely based on dusty environments as well as time spent in traffic. The more diesel and auto fumes the charcoal sucks up the shorter the lifespan. These will be for WK2 Vehicles only
Just to clarify these are no longer washable and have a limited life span now? Is this due to the added carbon part? The original filter you made had a usable life span of 54,000 hours roughly and needed to only be hosed down. Thanks for your continued interesting in making a better WK2 filter!
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:16 AM
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Re: JRoll's Uber-Tech Cabin Filter for WK2

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Just to clarify these are no longer washable and have a limited life span now? Is this due to the added carbon part? The original filter you made had a usable life span of 54,000 hours roughly and needed to only be hosed down. Thanks for your continued interesting in making a better WK2 filter!
If I'm not mistaken JRoll is considering a new filter design with activated carbon I'm guessing as a substitute for his original metal electrostatic filter design. The carbon filter would allow for better filtration/elimination of odors than his current design. But yes his current design would be good for 50K miles.

I'd love to get my hands on either because the only replacement is Mopar right now. Wix and Purolator both have supposedly carbon activated filters out but so far I've yet to find either in my local stores and can only find the Wix online at Amazon but no good reviews/discussions on the filter quality. Anxiously awaiting further info and would love to be a 'tester' if needed.
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Re: JRoll's Uber-Tech Cabin Filter for WK2

So far, the prototype (without carbon paper insert) is doing great for filtering both in-cabin dust and exterior odors. CO gets a bunch of dirt and dust as it is dry here but no issues with this thing. Thumbsup.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:27 PM
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Re: JRoll's Uber-Tech Cabin Filter for WK2

To clarify the active carbon filter is totally separate filter from the Stainless Steel (SS) washable filter. The SS washable filter is good for 50,000 HOURS, that's not a typo it is hours of operation not miles. With proper care meaning don't brush it or blow high pressure air or water (no power washing) through it or do anything that will mess up the SS mesh, that particular filter (SS washable) will literally last longer than our Jeeps.

Now, the "new" filter I was looking into is a synthetic poly material with active carbon in it. This filter would be an alternative to the SS mesh washable filter. I am aware of the WIX filter that has a polymer that stops "odor causing bacteria" this is not active carbon. The WIX filter has a compound called Bio Shield 75 (it is a registered name) That removes alergans and such Here is the verbateum description of the filter

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=2786889

"Featuring the EPA-approved BioShield® 75 technology, WIX Filters Cabin Air Filters capture and eliminate odor-causing bacteria, fungi and algae to create a car interior that is virtually free of outside allergens. Cabin air filters filter pollutants such as dust, soot and gas before it enters the car's interior; the added BioShield® 75 technology also filters out allergens with an invisible microbiostatic coating that becomes part of the filter fiber, polymerizing and standing up like microscopic spikes to help eliminate microbials."

The filter I am working on has active carbon (some people call it active charcoal). Active carbon is extremely effective at absorbing odors of all types. The downside is that it can not be washed and the life span of the filter fluctuates greatly with driving habits as well as the concentrations of odors that are being absorbed.

If you drive 150 miles of dirt road everyday you probably are going to clog the filter with dust before the active carbon hits full absorption. However, If you work at the sewage plant and park your car next to the vents that vent sewer gas all day and leave your car running with the HVAC system running, then I'm going to say that by the end of your work week the active carbon is going to be trashed and you will need a new filter to keep the odors at bay. Now if you drive like 95% of Americans do, meaning your mostly on the highway and drive by your favorite stinky spot twice a day,then I'm going to say that the odor absorption and the filtering capacity will last at least 3 months.

Now the third option I am looking at is placing a very thin active carbon filter on the bottom of the SS washable filter (on the bottom because that is the direction of flow). This would allow the SS filter to catch all the dust and soot and pollen and allow the active carbon to capture the odors. Once you started smelling the funk again you would simply wash the SS filter and replace the Active carbon filter with a new one.

The whole idea of this is to use my knowledge of HVAC and filters to provide a viable alternative to the crappy over priced factory filter for the WK2.

Now I know there has been a lot of interest from the WK1 guys, I want to let you know that I haven't forgotten about you guys. The problem with the WK1 filter is the shape. As you know the Wk2 filter is a nice square (Before you crucify me I know its not really a square, but give me some poetic license will ya.) The WK1 is a nice rectangle.....with a freaking corner missing. Apparently corners missing makes life difficult on my manufacturers, and by difficult I mean really expensive. So I'm in a mexican stand off with them about that. We'll see where that goes, and that's why there has not been any real talk about the WK1's

I hope this post does two things.

1) answer a lot of questions

2) create a lot of interest.

If you do have comments or questions please feel free to contact me through this thread or PM me. Either way I will be happy to entertain any and all questions comments or ideas.
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:53 AM
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Re: JRoll's Uber-Tech Cabin Filter for WK2

And I was about to suggest what you are proposing.
Great Idea 2 separate filters in one.
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Thanks for the great update post - I've been wondering what kind of progress you had been making - excellent work.
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Re: JRoll's Uber-Tech Cabin Filter for WK2

awesome mod and just perfect!!

where i can order?

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So far, the prototype (without carbon paper insert) is doing great for filtering both in-cabin dust and exterior odors. CO gets a bunch of dirt and dust as it is dry here but no issues with this thing. Thumbsup.
I have to agree with moose here. Jroll also made me up a set and so far the the prototype filter has been working just great!! Big thumbs up
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