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Old 10-01-2012, 07:40 PM
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

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Manufacturer and model?
The Hella lights I mention would be very easy to bolt in (besides drilling some extra holes in the light flange to match the OEM mount points). I searched for a couple hours and all I could find are the 'bolt under the bumper' type lights that were either too small or too large.

Oh, and my personal preference for 'driving/fog' lights is halogen. The slight yellow tint of a halogen bulb works better in snow/fog/rain. That's why all OEMs with HID headlights still use halogens for the driving/fog lights.

Found this listing on Amazon (nice pic):
Hella 90mm Free Form Fog Lamp including H7 Bulb : Amazon.com : Automotive

Looks like there is enough separation between the housing and the flange to allow heat dissipation without melting the bumper.
You can get yellow HIDs as well. A few luxury import out of Japan offer OEM yellow HIDs for fogs.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:50 PM
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

HIDs (no matter the color temperature) are at least 35 watts, so I'm still a little wary about the heat output melting the bumper. Maybe not right away, but over time. I've done some more searching, but the PIAA LED lights still seem to be the best light for the price. I found some cheaper Spyder LED fogs, but I'm just not impressed with the looks of them.

I did sent TruckLite an email suggestion that they come out with a fog/driving LED light line. They already have LED headlights (military uses them in all their trucks) that are very high quality, so I would not hesitate to buy TruckLite fogs if they offered them.

In the mean time...
Just for grins I checked the alignment of the OEM fogs.
They were off.
The driver's side was high and the passenger side was low.
Now they are even and approximately 4" below level at 25 feet (which is what the PIAA install doc states that fog lights should be at).
I used a laser level to project a line on my garage door.
Took a pic afterwards so I can compare after I get the PIAA fogs installed.
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

Here are some pics of what I have done for fogs on my Jeep. They are Mini H1's from "The Retrofit Source". I used the original frames from the Jeep fogs and used some of the spring from the jeep fogs also. I used some screws with a large head for the adjustment screw.
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

looks good, do you have anymore pics and info on install
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

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Here are some pics of what I have done for fogs on my Jeep. They are Mini H1's from "The Retrofit Source". I used the original frames from the Jeep fogs and used some of the spring from the jeep fogs also. I used some screws with a large head for the adjustment screw.
Nice work.
No heat/melting issues yet?
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

No, the area stays cool, the chrome part you see where the bulb is installed gets hot but the rest is cool. The forward chrome area stays cool. The forward area you see is a cover called a mini Gatling gun shroud and comes with the projector. I used 2 of original screws from the shroud and used them on the side of the frames to make the pivot point and mount for the projector. I have a few more pictures but all I did was cut some of the frame away to get a little more room for height adjustment. the Jeep frame is soft so you can cut it with a utility knife. The screw for the height adjustment was originally metric so I re threaded it for a 10-32 screw but you could use a metric one instead and not re thread it. The screw is about a 1 1/2 inches long. I cut off about 1/3 rd of the original spring from the fogs and used it for my adjustment screw. I did not have to buy any thing else for the install. You do need a HID kit with a H1 bulb of your choice. Just order it with your projector. the original on th left and the mini h1 on the right. The main reason I did this install was because the HID bulb in the Jeep housing discolored the chrome inside of the Jeep fog light. The Jeep fog is very cheap and can not withstand a high quality light source. I think LED bulbs will put out too much heat also. As you can see in the above pictures there is about a 1/8 in. gap between the projector and the bumper cover so nothing with any heat even gets close to the bumper cover.
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

I would love to change out the chrome grill for a black one on my 2012 Limited. Is it do-able?
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

You can get a Altitude one or plasti-dip the one you have. It only takes a few minutes to remove the front grill.
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

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No, the area stays cool, the chrome part you see where the bulb is installed gets hot but the rest is cool. The forward chrome area stays cool. The forward area you see is a cover called a mini Gatling gun shroud and comes with the projector. I used 2 of original screws from the shroud and used them on the side of the frames to make the pivot point and mount for the projector. I have a few more pictures but all I did was cut some of the frame away to get a little more room for height adjustment. the Jeep frame is soft so you can cut it with a utility knife. The screw for the height adjustment was originally metric so I re threaded it for a 10-32 screw but you could use a metric one instead and not re thread it. The screw is about a 1 1/2 inches long. I cut off about 1/3 rd of the original spring from the fogs and used it for my adjustment screw. I did not have to buy any thing else for the install. You do need a HID kit with a H1 bulb of your choice. Just order it with your projector. the original on th left and the mini h1 on the right. The main reason I did this install was because the HID bulb in the Jeep housing discolored the chrome inside of the Jeep fog light. The Jeep fog is very cheap and can not withstand a high quality light source. I think LED bulbs will put out too much heat also. As you can see in the above pictures there is about a 1/8 in. gap between the projector and the bumper cover so nothing with any heat even gets close to the bumper cover.
Did you need to remove the bumper, and did you also install a relay?
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

No relay required. I had to change the connector on the fog wiring for the Hid light, but you can use the one that comes with Hid kit and solder it on. I got to the fogs through the wheel well panal. you can reach the fogs easily without removing the wheels or jacking up the car. Hid lights take LESS power to operate than your normal halagen bulb. In 99% of the cases a relay is NOT required to operate your Hid systems. In some cases a little bit of flicker will occure. In those cases you just need to add a "anit-flicker, error code eliminator, can-bus" device just before your ballast and that will eliminate the flicker.
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

Can you adjust left to right and up and down for the set up of the light?
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Re: OEM Fog Light replacement idea

Only up and down, left and right are not normally needed. If you use the Jeep frames as I did, they are aimed as they should be. Your head lights do not have left/right adjustment and either do your fogs. Not saying that you could not get them off but under normal conditions they should be good on the left/right adjustment. The projectors go almost straight out to the sides so you probally could not tell if they were a little off and the step in the light will not be toward on coming traffic. Since they are only going to be 24" off of the ground nobody will be effected anyway.
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