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Re: Who is interested in an aftermarket fender flare alternative?

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I like the concept flares they have a trimmed down JK appeal, and having it climb to the upper flare line would provide the appearance of a larger opening and shoulder up the look... But other than maybe 1" additional lateral clearance you are saying you want them to be purely decorative? Without a minor trim at the ends there's no benefit other than tiny bit more coverage for guys with a wider tire, we can fit wider now it's taller within lift constraints we need flares for. At some point the grinder comes out, go big. I'd like a small enough trim that's useful but no loss of fit and finish. Having a company put the effort in to make something like this I'd think some multipurpose or function built in might give the sales a better shot and justify the price I'm sure they will warrant. Bringing something like this to market is far bigger task than people think. I'll take a black set with or without trimming
I second this ^

I'm interested, but only if they're providing the full benefit of being a functional add on and not serving as mostly a decorative mod.
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Re: Who is interested in an aftermarket fender flare alternative?

The last couple comments regarding decorative vs functional

When we think of functional here - The widest setups I have really seen on the WK2 are the guys running say... 275 65 18 on Pro Comp 7036... 0 offset, 5 backspacing on those wheels. "Pokes" out from the face of the stock fender only a couple inches. With that said... how much 'more' depth would you really need than the ones pictured on the concept vehicles?

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I am not necessarily disagreeing with you guy, I am all for function, however , what is really 'needed' ?
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The last couple comments regarding decorative vs functional

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When we think of functional here - The widest setups I have really seen on the WK2 are the guys running say... 275 65 18 on Pro Comp 7036... 0 offset, 5 backspacing on those wheels. "Pokes" out from the face of the stock fender only a couple inches. With that said... how much 'more' depth would you really need than the ones pictured on the concept vehicles?



I am not necessarily disagreeing with you guy, I am all for function, however , what is really 'needed' ?
Along the lines of what Nonstop said in the area quoted, we don't gain much from these fender flares that warrant interest beyond mostly cosmetics.

I need more room for taller and wider tires. Not just wider, which these only really give us the benefit of and even very little at that.

If you watch any of the videos of these Trailhawk concepts off road, they have almost no room for articulation, even with the modded fender flares. They just allowed the bigger tires to fit, but don't give it all that much of an advantage over what a lot of people already have at max size without the larger flares. They appear to be more of a cosmetic part of the Trailhawk concept to me, as are the Bushwhackers.

And let's not forget they also basically removed the entire fender well liner to get it to work as well, which isn't an option for a lot of us too. There just isn't that much room for modification beyond what we've already seen done, without major work involved it seems.
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Re: Who is interested in an aftermarket fender flare alternative?

Guys, Lund or someone else will be coming out with a smooth flare soon enough. If you look at this Alibaba search link you can see the (probable) supplier for Bushwacker along with other suppliers who have smooth or even textured finishes. If BlackOps wants to offer flares, all they have to do is order a dozen or so sets to get the cost down. IMO, it would be wasted time making a mold.

I'm going to push back pretty hard from you folks saying the flares are mostly just for show. When you start slinging mud with even the 265/60-18's or other 265mm width tires, you can see why a wider fender is desirable. Turn the wheel going through a flooded rice or bean field and your side windows get covered. You can roll them down to get the mud off, but get ready to hear the scratching on your glass for the next 3 months. I've got 275/65-18 Maxxis Bighorn's going on next month and I know what they will do with just that slight increase in width. If you don't need it you don't need it. I go off road for hunting 2 months straight in the winter and don't care to have the truck covered in mud and get myself muddy just from going in and out of the truck 'cause there is mud slung all over the entire truck.

I'm a form and function guy and don't understand why one has tires sticking outside the fender. All I think when I see vehicles like that, is don't the owners care the tires are slinging all that road crap all over the outside of their vehicle? Again, to each his own, but I don't get it.
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Re: Who is interested in an aftermarket fender flare alternative?

I couldn't see it being more than 1" wider than a stock flare, your flare as a mudflap idea has merit and seeing that I also had boggers on my full width WJ in south Florida, I appreciate it, but in this case it's an inch, a real mudflap will be better. Also the additional lateral coverage would barely be a dent for zero offset guys. The addition though of barely 1" more clearance in any area that Hits currently when "flexed" well that would be the difference between clearance and interference and that's usable room.

It would likely be the best looking option yet, they make some gorgeous stuff and they'll know what hasn't gotten us stoked yet or will now, so the possibility of it having an audience is good.
I'd really like an OE texture black to keep up appearances.
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I couldn't see it being more than 1" wider than a stock flare, your flare as a mudflap idea has merit and seeing that I also had boggers on my full width WJ in south Florida, I appreciate it, but in this case it's an inch, a real mudflap will be better. Also the additional lateral coverage would barely be a dent for zero offset guys. The addition though of barely 1" more clearance in any area that Hits currently when "flexed" well that would be the difference between clearance and interference and that's usable room.

It would likely be the best looking option yet, they make some gorgeous stuff and they'll know what hasn't gotten us stoked yet or will now, so the possibility of it having an audience is good.
I'd really like an OE texture black to keep up appearances.
Again, I agree ^^

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Guys, Lund or someone else will be coming out with a smooth flare soon enough. If you look at this Alibaba search link you can see the (probable) supplier for Bushwacker along with other suppliers who have smooth or even textured finishes. If BlackOps wants to offer flares, all they have to do is order a dozen or so sets to get the cost down. IMO, it would be wasted time making a mold.

I'm going to push back pretty hard from you folks saying the flares are mostly just for show. When you start slinging mud with even the 265/60-18's or other 265mm width tires, you can see why a wider fender is desirable. Turn the wheel going through a flooded rice or bean field and your side windows get covered. You can roll them down to get the mud off, but get ready to hear the scratching on your glass for the next 3 months. I've got 275/65-18 Maxxis Bighorn's going on next month and I know what they will do with just that slight increase in width. If you don't need it you don't need it. I go off road for hunting 2 months straight in the winter and don't care to have the truck covered in mud and get myself muddy just from going in and out of the truck 'cause there is mud slung all over the entire truck.

I'm a form and function guy and don't understand why one has tires sticking outside the fender. All I think when I see vehicles like that, is don't the owners care the tires are slinging all that road crap all over the outside of their vehicle? Again, to each his own, but I don't get it.
The additional width of these fenders, even if they were another 3-4" would still probably get mud and rocks slung down the side of your Jeep, even with stock width tires and OEM offset even. The justification of these as being merely functional for "mud slinging" are nill. It's not worth it. If you want to spend probably well over $1k to get that placebo effect of protection, then by all means, spend away.
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Re: Who is interested in an aftermarket fender flare alternative?

Good morning guys

I like the discussion here but a project like this unfortunately won't be able to please everyone.

In terms of form over function when looking just at the flares on the concept vehicles. ....

Function:
Will they provide a tad more protection than the factory parts? Maybe a slight bit. Will they provide more CLEARANCE when considering the inside of the actual fender/wheel well to run HUGE tires? No. What we are looking at creating will be a bolt on alternative that involves no cutting of the vehicle.

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I know I am not alone here, the flares on the concept simply look MUCH nicer. Especially if you are running a larger wheel/tire setup. To me at least, those concept flares just look the way it should have looked from the factory.

Chad and I spoke for a while yesterday about where this thread has gone thus far and the goal is really just to reproduce the concept vehicle flares. Yes, one of the concept vehicles was running 35s. If your goal is to run a tire as large as a 35 I will simply say you cannot rely on these 'mostly decorative flares' themselves.

Blackops is based out of Boston but if you read previously we are searching for a donor vehicle for the LA area for about a week or so to do a mold. If that does not come to fruition he might simply figure something out himself. He has a new manufacturing connection in the LA area that is capable of turning out high quality polyurethane products and this idea for a project could not have come at a better time.

We envision doing a fiberglass prototype first and getting them on a Jeep so people can see the prototype and from there do a polyurethane version of the flare based on a group buy-type of commitment. If everything goes well he will keep them available to purchase for the public. The biggest up front cost is getting the molds made etc.

So, if any Los Angeles area individuals want to contribute to the success of this project please chime in - it will help expedite everything. In the meantime I wanted us to stay focused on the goal and try not to provide skewed expectations of what the final product will be.

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Re: Who is interested in an aftermarket fender flare alternative?

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Again, I agree ^^

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The additional width of these fenders, even if they were another 3-4" would still probably get mud and rocks slung down the side of your Jeep, even with stock width tires and OEM offset even. The justification of these as being merely functional for "mud slinging" are nill. It's not worth it. If you want to spend probably well over $1k to get that placebo effect of protection, then by all means, spend away.
Pinetar, I reject your reality and substitute one of this world. Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer, a fender outside the wheel will have a noticeable effect. I've had extended flares on all my trucks since I ran wider & bigger than stock and they made a marked difference.
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Re: Who is interested in an aftermarket fender flare alternative?

I AM IN FOR THE DECORATIVE MOD!!!

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Pinetar, I reject your reality and substitute one of this world. Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer, a fender outside the wheel will have a noticeable effect. I've had extended flares on all my trucks since I ran wider & bigger than stock and they made a marked difference.
Whatever you say, guy. They won't protect your Jeep, no matter how much you think they will.



Good luck with the endeavor. Honestly, any extra parts we can get for our WK2s as options, I'm all for. Just not entirely sold on these as of yet.
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