Originally Posted by ldsbiker
I felt compelled to clarify something here. The ZF 8HP transmission has been in production since 2008 and fitted to some high-end vehicles. While new to ChryCo dealers/mechanics, it's a bit of a stretch to say that the transmission is "unproven". I'm sure it's not perfect and not without issues, but what is unproven (at the moment) are your assertions about economy and performance. I drove the new JGC back to back with the current Durango, and while the Rango is quite a bit heavier, you can feel the difference in shifting. I understand the different variables in play here, but am looking forward to the add'l gear ratios combined with reduced shift times and non-sequential shifting. As a side note, It sounds like production of the new tranny for ChryCo will move to the states in 2013, which will hopefully preserve some jobs too.
When was the last time you saw one of those Rolls Royces or something last 100k miles with offroading and towing?
What is unproven are the Chrysler made ZF8s, and how it will hold up to the abuse that a more normal vehicle will experience. Right now, nobody knows how that transmission will hold up to pulling a big travel trailer across country in a 5000 pound vehicle after 30k miles.
Videos substantiate that the new transmission doesn't shift significantly faster than the 6 speed auto. It does shift faster than the 5 speed auto, and I will freely admit that it's a better transmission for the V6. I'm not seeing an improvement for the V8s though.
Getting in to a group that is buying a sizeable number of them in one group and getting a certain amount under invoice is fine, but those prices don't translate over to walk in the door prices. Those are prices based on selling a certain number of the vehicles.
As far as the supply goes, Marchionne himself said they could have sold more WK2s so far if they could keep up with the demand, they simply don't have the supply to do that. Does that mean there's not going to be any sitting on lots? Of course not. It just means that they're not going to be sitting on a ton of vehicles for months at a time, and as a result they have no interest in squandering potential profits to increase revenues.
I'm not saying people are lying, just misrepresenting. Factoring in trade in allowance, not factoring undervalues on trade-ins, not factoring in increased interest rates, etc. Like I said, the dealership can sell you the car at 50% off invoice if they wanted to, but you better believe they'll make that money up somewhere else in the deal.