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Sounds like the 2014 people are having as good a luck as I am with a 2013...not much.

I contacted a True Car dealer - the offered me two Crews neither of which were equipped the way I spec'ed out to them.

They got back to me and said they would see what they could find. Tomorrow I'm calling back the other dealer that has the truck we want in transit to them and see if I can work a deal.

The low end of TrueCar around here is about $35k optioned as we want. All the dealers are at MSRP - incentives. And..I discovered today that the dealer from Saturday was MSRP less a discount that didn't equal the $3500 in incentives that I thought were available.

When was the last time you saw someone who wanted to buy, but a dealer that didn't want to sell????
Absolutely unreal. Good luck with the dealer that has the truck in transit. Hope tomorrow you can tell us it will be yours.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:22 PM
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So, on a lark, to see how bad it was out there I pinged the dealer I'm working with to see what they'd offer.

Here's the deal I have:

5% under invoice on the vehicle of my choice. They are going to order my Jeep Overland CRD AND the Durango Citadel on Friday.

Once they both come in, I pick the one I want.

Maybe it's just the PacNW dealers. Most of them up here have been pretty eager to help out/make a deal.
OUTSTANDING! I'm a bit jealous. So the dealer agreed to order both and you will have your choice? Sweet. Ive been concerned about being on the hook once I put down a deposit, although I can't imagine changing my mind after all this.
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So, on a lark, to see how bad it was out there I pinged the dealer I'm working with to see what they'd offer.

Here's the deal I have:

5% under invoice on the vehicle of my choice. They are going to order my Jeep Overland CRD AND the Durango Citadel on Friday.

Once they both come in, I pick the one I want.

Maybe it's just the PacNW dealers. Most of them up here have been pretty eager to help out/make a deal.
Congratulations! I'm not sure it gets any better than that. Now that is how a dealer makes a sale and gains faithful customers. Not to mention with the power of the internet, I suspect they will make additional sales. If they were a little closer, I'd consider a plane ticket but I'm not driving a new vehicle 3,000 miles back to the East Coast. :-(
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:51 AM
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Sounds like the 2014 people are having as good a luck as I am with a 2013...not much.

Tomorrow I'm calling back the other dealer that has the truck we want in transit to them and see if I can work a deal.

When was the last time you saw someone who wanted to buy, but a dealer that didn't want to sell????
Maybe Temerarius' good fortune will start a string of good luck. I'm ready to see people start posting some glimmer of hope on here. It's been anything but for many of us recently. Good luck with the vehicle in transit.

Yes, I'm shocked that in this economy, dealers are practically turning people away. I now have messages in to about 8 dealers. Some have been very responsive but act like umbrellas in a hurricane when I mention the P word (price) and stop responding... or say "maybe pricing will be out Friday". Don't they pretty much work off invoice price anyway??? Make it x% and call it a day. Sheesh! One dealer that I have been trying to work with since ordering opened in July sent a reply yesterday. I asked if he could see if anything they ordered happened to be close to what I'm looking for. His reply was a simple (We do not have one like that ordered.) That was it. No further attempt to make a sale. Are salespeople on salary now or what???
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That's a disappointment about the safety, security and convenience group not being available / not pricing. Would they actually start production without making it available for early-production Limiteds? That would be an unfortunate decisiion.
Still no word on the availability of the Safety, Security and Convenience group. I wonder what's holding it up. They're installing the equipment on Citadels and WK2s, so I don't understand why they can't fit it to Durango Limiteds.
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Are salespeople on salary now or what???
Well, I made an offer to the vehicle with the 2013 Crew "In Transit".

Beyond the two immediate canned responses (I really liked the one that said "I've called and left you a message..." because I didn't provide a phone number) there has been nothing back from them. I prefer to start with email - if they want to be in the ballpark I'm happy to talk to them but I'm not going to spend an hour on the phone to be quoted MSRP.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:08 AM
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Keep in mind, the dealer I'm working with was one of 12 (!) that I've been talking to for almost a year now. Of the 12 I started with, only 2 have been willing to work a solid deal on % under invoice on vehicles with no pricing yet.

It took me months of negotiating to drive them into the corner like this. On average, getting a dealer to 1% under invoice is the baseline (with the control number) to start from. Getting them to 2% should be easy (especially if you do the math for them and make it clear you understand that when the control number is used, that you know how much they are getting back from CyrFi).

3% will take some foot work to do and most dealers will be a hard sell to get there (as that eats almost all their profit). If you are at a large volume place though, this should be doable.

Anything beyond that you need to be SUPER careful on the deal (especially your trade value, and those fee's) as unless they do a TON of business, they will screw you somewhere to make up the losses.

That being said, I'd strongly recommend to folks to wander over to the WK2 section and do a search for "Group Buys" in your area (or region). I know there's a fair number on the East Coast (some DC guys wrangled an insane deal). Colorado and Texas also have a couple (as does the PacNW).

That's where I'd start. I'd also encourage you to PM the folks that negotiated the deals. Chances are they can put you in touch with the sales person they worked with and/or teach you the secret handshake you need to get in good with the dealer.

If you can't find one in your area, post. Ask if anyone has purchased in your area and what they got for a deal. It's possible that someone in your area has worked a sweet deal already with a dealership and has a name for you.
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Still no word on the availability of the Safety, Security and Convenience group. I wonder what's holding it up. They're installing the equipment on Citadels and WK2s, so I don't understand why they can't fit it to Durango Limiteds.
They do this to stuff all the time though.

The higher end one's will get all the goodies and be out the door and on the lot so that Joe buyer can see them, play with them and decide, "I want that! Oh, it's not available on the lower end trim? How much more does the next level up cost me?"

It's all about the upsell.

The CRD is the same. Available in the Summit and Overland only on initial release (even though it's marked as available in the Limited). In the next allocation or so, it will be available in the lower trim level, but in the mean time... upsell...
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...3% will take some foot work to do and most dealers will be a hard sell to get there (as that eats almost all their profit). If you are at a large volume place though, this should be doable.

Anything beyond that you need to be SUPER careful on the deal (especially your trade value, and those fee's) as unless they do a TON of business, they will screw you somewhere to make up the losses...
Getting screwed with fees had me worried so I researched the affiliate program seeing what others experienced. The destination charge should be included in the invoice price. The only fees can be the program $75 fee and the dealer document fee. I found a salesman that posted the Affiliates Official Program Rules from Chrysler. In there is the following paragraphs:


"Preferred Price:
A participating dealer submitting a claim under this program must sell or lease the vehicle at the Preferred Price (a maximum of 1% below factory invoice plus a $75 administration fee).

The dealer must show the participant a copy of the Factory Invoice.

Dealer installed options are negotiable between the participant and the dealer, and must be itemized and individually priced on a fully executed Bill of Sale and on the Pricing and Acknowledgement Form signed by the dealer and the purchaser/lessee. A net Bill of Sale without detail is not acceptable.

The dealer price to purchaser/lessee is calculated by adding dealer-installed options and/or Over Allowance on Trade amounts to the Preferred Price. The participant may not be charged for any preparation fees, delivery and handling charges, service or overhead fees, or any other such delivery fees under this program. Documentation fees are allowable under the respective governing State in which the vehicle is titled. Documentation fees may not exceed those normally charged on any other sales transaction.

Administration Fee:
Each participant must pay a $75 program administration fee to help offset the cost necessary to support this program.

Dealer Reimbursement:
Payments under Chrysler Affiliate Rewards will be made as part of the weekly DealerCONNECT incentive claim processing system. Incentive payments will be processed and made to dealers by EFT (Electronic Funds Transfer) or as a debit or credit against their monthly parts account. The $75 administration fee paid to the selling dealer by the participating customer will be deducted from the 2% payment made to the selling dealer by Chrysler. Participating dealers retain 1% of the 2% payment paid to dealers by Chrysler for all eligible Preferred Price
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Maybe Temerarius' good fortune will start a string of good luck. I'm ready to see people start posting some glimmer of hope on here. It's been anything but for many of us recently. Good luck with the vehicle in transit.

Yes, I'm shocked that in this economy, dealers are practically turning people away. I now have messages in to about 8 dealers. Some have been very responsive but act like umbrellas in a hurricane when I mention the P word (price) and stop responding... or say "maybe pricing will be out Friday". Don't they pretty much work off invoice price anyway??? Make it x% and call it a day. Sheesh! One dealer that I have been trying to work with since ordering opened in July sent a reply yesterday. I asked if he could see if anything they ordered happened to be close to what I'm looking for. His reply was a simple (We do not have one like that ordered.) That was it. No further attempt to make a sale. Are salespeople on salary now or what???
Our experiences with this process are eerily similar and equally disappointing. Like you, I hope that the deal Temerarius struck means there are others to be had as well. I am about to get back in touch with a guy in Houston (almost as far as the PacNW for you) that initially mentioned 5% below with a control number. A Dallas dealer, who sounded like a Jackwagon on the phone) scoffed and snorted when I asked if he could meet or beat. Hello? I'm moving practically into your backyard, which means service, service, service. Local guy I met almost a year ago looking at 2013s won't return my calls or emails. Sheesh is right.
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Our experiences with this process are eerily similar and equally disappointing. Like you, I hope that the deal Temerarius struck means there are others to be had as well. I am about to get back in touch with a guy in Houston (almost as far as the PacNW for you) that initially mentioned 5% below with a control number. A Dallas dealer, who sounded like a Jackwagon on the phone) scoffed and snorted when I asked if he could meet or beat. Hello? I'm moving practically into your backyard, which means service, service, service. Local guy I met almost a year ago looking at 2013s won't return my calls or emails. Sheesh is right.
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