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Better time spent than the 10 minutes I witnessed of the Giants game today....ugh....
Tell me about it. I'm a Big Blue fan living out west, and it was much more fun to watch the Seahawks today.
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Re: 2014 Durango - Features and Changes

They shouldn't even be allowed to market VGA as "high resolution". Maybe they were referring to 4x the VGA resolution, which would be 1280x960 (right?).

Either way, 90% of consumers are going to expect the displays to be high definition. It is what you associate with blu-ray, not to mention what I would expect in a $2000 option.

I just paid $2,400 for THREE Dell XPS 8700 desktop computers with core i7 processors and each with a 23.5" 1080p IPS display.

I have some serious debating to do over the next few days.
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:05 AM
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I have some serious debating to do over the next few days.
Lol, don't stress yourself, I am sure there will be more info today. It will make your decision easier.
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:29 AM
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They shouldn't even be allowed to market VGA as "high resolution". Maybe they were referring to 4x the VGA resolution, which would be 1280x960 (right?).
They are in all likelihood referring to the jump from QVGA (which is apparently what the previous gen monitors were) to VGA. QVGA in fact stands for "quarter VGA". VGA=4 times the pixels of QVGA. (QVGA = 320x240, VGA=640x480).

Going from QVGA to VGA will make a huge difference with these screen sizes / viewing distances. And yes, I agree there would still be a difference going from VGA to 720p. But as I said earlier, the overall picture quality is going to depend on a host of other factors, and not-so-much the screen resolution. At this point.

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Either way, 90% of consumers are going to expect the displays to be high definition.
I agree with you there. Though I will bet that 90% of those 90% will believe that it is in fact high-def.

90% of consumers aren't like you and me who know specs and what they mean. You pop in a DVD and display it on any flat screen TV of any resolution and "90% of consumers" will think it's "high-def". Then you take a Blu-Ray disc, play it on a 4:3 HDTV Tube Display (like I have in my house), and they'll tell you it's not high-def. (The TV isn't "flat!")

To be clear....I am not trying to "excuse" Chrysler for not providing true HD monitors (assuming that is what we find out to be the case.) I am only saying that the resolution difference here is not going to be a major differentiating factor for image quality for movies.

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I just paid $2,400 for THREE Dell XPS 8700 desktop computers with core i7 processors and each with a 23.5" 1080p IPS display.
As someone else had said, go ahead and leave those three desktop computers in your car 24/7 and let me know how it goes after 1 year let alone 10+. We're talking apples and oranges here.

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Absolutely...only you can determine if the OEM entertainment system meets your own value needs. I'm only cautioning you that the resolution difference here most likely should not be a deciding factor.

I'm taking a bit of a gamble myself since I have not seen the screens in action. I'm just not as concerned with the resolution as I am with the components as a whole...and I won't have an answer to that until I see them in person.
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:44 AM
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Tell me about it. I'm a Big Blue fan living out west, and it was much more fun to watch the Seahawks today.
Both the Yankees and the Giants' seasons pretty much ended on the same day. At least it was an interesting ride for the Yankees... I think they overachieved this year with their injuries.

At least I have my kids' soccer games to watch!
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As someone else had said, go ahead and leave those three desktop computers in your car 24/7 and let me know how it goes after 1 year let alone 10+. We're talking apples and oranges here.
More apples to apples would be the 55" 1080p commercial display I paid $2,200 for that sits in a storefront window in the blazing sun, and runs 16 hours per day, 7 days per week, but is actually rated for 24/7 use.

For $2,200.

Hopefully we will get definitive confirmation of resolution and availability date soon. If it is going to be another 3-4 weeks before I can even order, then it is not worth the wait for me.
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:56 AM
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More apples to apples would be the 55" 1080p commercial display I paid $2,200 for that sits in a storefront window in the blazing sun, and runs 16 hours per day, 7 days per week, but is actually rated for 24/7 use.

For $2,200.
Actually, all else being equal, it's generally easier (cheaper) to produce 1080p with low density (55") than it is to pack those same pixels in a 9" package.

You could have purchased a "non-commmerical" 55" TV that probably has a whole lot of other "nifty" features and better performance in other areas for watching TV that your commercial display doesn't have or do...for about 1/3 the price or less. Yet you went for the $2200 display.

That's kind of my point. Putting devices in different applications can severely change their "value proposition."
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Actually, all else being equal, it's generally easier (cheaper) to produce 1080p with low density (55") than it is to pack those same pixels in a 9" package.

You could have purchased a "non-commmerical" 55" TV that probably has a whole lot of other "nifty" features and better performance in other areas for watching TV that your commercial display doesn't have or do...for about 1/3 the price or less. Yet you went for the $2200 display.

That's kind of my point. Putting devices in different applications can severely change their "value proposition."
Joey,

I can comment on this, I work with the Panasonic Professional series and Medical Monitors. They are of the same or better quality but are designed to run flawlessly 24/7. I have tested the residential versions of these units and they don't come even close to standing up over time. In fact, all the LCD/Plasma manufacturers will tell you that they won't even warranty the resi. monitor in a store front or commercial display as they will definitely fail.
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I can comment on this, I work with the Panasonic Professional series and Medical Monitors. They are of the same or better quality but are designed to run flawlessly 24/7. I have tested the residential versions of these units and they don't come even close to standing up over time. In fact, all the LCD/Plasma manufacturers will tell you that they won't even warranty the resi. monitor in a store front or commercial display as they will definitely fail.
Exactly.

In other words the professional / medical monitors will cost more and will have "fewer functions" than other full-featured TVs with the same resolution. (I'm assuming these monitors are primarily just displays and don't have a TV Tuners, "smart TV capabilities," etc.)

However, these monitors are specially designed to be outstanding for a given application: reliability / up-time. If you need that reliability in your application, you'll pay for it, and in addition sacrifice other features that are not as important, to get that reliability / up time.
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Either way, 90% of consumers are going to expect the displays to be high definition. It is what you associate with blu-ray, not to mention what I would expect in a $2000 option.

I have some serious debating to do over the next few days.
Wow. Why are you so upset/stressed about this? Some of your posts have seemed absolutely livid when it comes down to something really basic: Chrysler potentially not offering you something you want at the price you want. It's not even an option you HAVE to buy and yet there have been references to how Chrysler is so awful and so forth.

Here's reality in a nutshell:

1) Chrysler is marketing this towards a small segment of buyers (no, most buyers overall don't want or opt for the rear entertainment system) so economies of scale come into play here. Remember how expensive HDTVs were when they first came out? That was both volume, and the fact that the market segment was small--people who wanted the "best" at that time so it commanded a premium. Some of those sets were downright awful compared to those available today but were, in some cases, 10x more expensive.

2) Chrysler is marketing this towards a specific segment: Specifically and for the most part, parents who wish to zombie their kids out in the back seat. The general segment of kids here is in the 3-12 age range. While there may be a child somewhere in that range who is a precocious and might say something about the resolution of the screen, the VAST majority do not care. Might a few say something looks a little different? Maybe. Will they move on if told that's the way it is? Of course.

3) Chrysler is offering this option as a convenience option. You will pay more for convenience if you want this convenience. It's a simple as that. You don't HAVE to buy it. You can come up with other options.

So, when it comes down to it, Chrysler is going to offer what it believes will appeal to, or be accepted by, the MAJORITY of people interested in this kind of option. Not videophiles or people who are technically inclined, but a majority of people who aren't going to ask these questions or potentially even understand them. When the general consensus becomes that the product needs to have better/more features to sell, then that will happen...that's how this works. In the meantime, if it doesn't meet your wants, don't buy it--bashing Chrysler for their offering is a little misdirected in this case.
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Exactly.

In other words the professional / medical monitors will cost more and will have "fewer functions" than other full-featured TVs with the same resolution. (I'm assuming these monitors are primarily just displays and don't have a TV Tuners, "smart TV capabilities," etc.)

However, these monitors are specially designed to be outstanding for a given application: reliability / up-time. If you need that reliability in your application, you'll pay for it, and in addition sacrifice other features that are not as important, to get that reliability / up time.
I don't want to continue this too much because I know it isn't relevant to this discussion but... as for your question it usually depends, in medical, no smart TV functions but WAY more inputs and control system integration. In straight pro, mostly the same features, often upgrade cards to take say a 4K SDI source. They are truly better TVs, I see the 103" Panasonic Pros in many super high end homes.
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New video review posted for the 2014 Durango. You probably won't learn anything you don't already know but it's good quality. Also, get your first known glimpse of the rear entertainment screens in action!

Big improvements come to 2014 Dodge Durango
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