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....They are truly better TVs, I see the 103" Panasonic Pros in many super high end homes.
No doubt! Basically we agree. My only point is: different features of a panel are more important depending on the application. And some features are more expensive than others.

As to how this relates to the Durango...

There is no doubt that the "environment" inside a car is more harsh than that of your typical consumer TV hanging on a wall in an environmentally controlled and vibration free environment. This is exacerbated by the desired high pixel density of the in-car display due to the viewing distances involved vs. home TVs.

So, while we can all say that we'd prefer higher resolution in-car displays, to claim that Chrysler is "ripping us off" because the resolution doesn't match that of tablets, in-home TVs, etc, is simply off base.

Now, Chrysler may in fact be ripping us off...but unless we are on the inside and know what "environmental" specifications are required and the cost, I think the accusations are just a little premature.

Has anyone seen the 2014 MDX oem rear-entertainment screen? Its also touted as the "highest resolution monitor Acura has ever used" for entertainment (and we know Honda has been typically been leading edge on tech).

It's a double-wide screen so that you can show two different movies at once on the same screen. Folds down from the headliner.

Resolution? It's WVGA, which is 800x480. Same 480 lines of vertical resolution as the Durango screens. Notably LESS horizontal resolution for each movie if you are playing two videos side-by side vs. each movie displayed on the Durango dual screens. It also has HDMI input, though I don't believe the player handles Blu-Ray discs.

Maybe Acura is ripping off consumers too? Or maybe the car companies have a set of environmental standards that make very high density screens very costly....
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Wow. Why are you so upset/stressed about this?...1) Chrysler is marketing this towards a small segment of buyers...
2) ...parents who wish to zombie their kids out in the back seat. The general segment of kids here is in the 3-12 age range...3) Chrysler is offering this option as a convenience option...
Ouch... You are defending what is possibly misleading marketing by 1) attacking the consumer, 2) making a moral/ethical swype (hey, any entertainment/art can be equated to our "Zombie" culture) and 3) finally to lower our expectations curve since its just convenience. I was under the impression that the lowered expectations argument," it's good enough," is what got the USA Auto Industry in trouble in the first place (see Elon Musk think different with his Tesla 17-inch display). I actually see with the Durango a class leading product in so many ways that I am taking the bet it's something I will truly enjoy for many years. In terms of features I still believe it is the best valued 7-seater by far. However there is nothing wrong to expect more, including convenience options (heck, an SUV is a convenience compared to a mini-van). The Durango, with just some more thought, effort and quality control, can just utterly destroy the competition. I am truly rooting for its success because it's crunch time for the Durango. When Fiat's CEO is considering pulling the Durango entirely from the Dodge brand this is Durango's last stand. Go D!
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New video review posted for the 2014 Durango. You probably won't learn anything you don't already know but it's good quality. Also, get your first known glimpse of the rear entertainment screens in action!

Big improvements come to 2014 Dodge Durango
Thanks for posting this. Maybe we can get this thread back on track...
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Thanks for posting this. Maybe we can get this thread back on track...
Yeah...I've been watching MOTS and i'm expecting some movement on your D in the next 2-3 days based on the current estimated delivery date.

Then it will just be me and agonzo left sweating out the DVD production timing....
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Actually, all else being equal, it's generally easier (cheaper) to produce 1080p with low density (55") than it is to pack those same pixels in a 9" package.

You could have purchased a "non-commmerical" 55" TV that probably has a whole lot of other "nifty" features and better performance in other areas for watching TV that your commercial display doesn't have or do...for about 1/3 the price or less. Yet you went for the $2200 display.

That's kind of my point. Putting devices in different applications can severely change their "value proposition."
Another thing to mention is that when you stamp, commercial, Wedding or baby on something, the same product gets a price hike. I live in a B2B world and guess what, Businesses in general are willing to overpay for things. You have an acquisitions department that really doesn't care that much because the people there don't understand what things really cost. I'm sorry, but heat rated or not, the monitors are over priced. So far we've really only talked about resolution, and there are many things that go into making a picture look nice.

Having said all that, I'v had many electronics in my car both when I lived in NY and now in DC and my cars have gone through extreme temperatures in both locations. I have yet to have anything break on me.
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Ouch... You are defending what is possibly misleading marketing by 1) attacking the consumer.
No, I'm not attacking anyone. I'm trying to point out that if a company doesn't offer what you want, either go to another company or find a different solution. Attacking the company because you're not getting what you want as an available option is kind of childish and...well, strange. It's not like you HAVE to buy it. If it were something of that nature, that would be a different story. Being disappointed...sure. I'm disappointed there isn't a turbine engine option for vehicles...but that doesn't mean I think all these manufacturers are crap.

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2) making a moral/ethical swype (hey, any entertainment/art can be equated to our "Zombie" culture)
Well...it kind of can be equated as such The reference was made in a moment of humor...relax.

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3) finally to lower our expectations curve since its just convenience. I was under the impression that the lowered expectations argument," it's good enough," is what got the USA Auto Industry in trouble in the first place (see Elon Musk think different with his Tesla 17-inch display).
Uh uh...no no. I'm not arguing anything about lowering expectations in this case. I'm arguing that stressing yourself out or making a big scene because a manufacturer doesn't offer something exactly the way you want it is just plain ridiculous. Give feedback (hey, this would be great if it were...), then make a buying decision about whether what IS offered suits your needs. I do not understand this "Chrysler is evil" or "Chrysler is junk" simply on the basis of an option not being to your liking. That kind of reaction is...well...entitled and a bit childish to me, that's all.

To your argument about there being nothing wrong with expecting more...feel free. But use your example of the Tesla 17" screen. Now...how much does a Tesla cost? Do you really believe ALL of that is just for the battery and drivetrain technology? Expect all you want...but realize you're going to PAY for it. Don't EXPECT everything you want without there being a cost associated with it--and that cost may not be what YOU think is "fair" so then you need to make the decision as to whether it's worth it to you. The market itself will determine if it will bear the price of what is being offered. You are part of that market, and can have an influence based on your choice. The complaining part (the over the top part) is just a bit...over the top for me when it comes to something of this nature. That's all.
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Re: 2014 Durango - Features and Changes

As for zombie kids, should I end up getting the DVD option, they will only ever be on for trips longer than an hour, and we usually even limit the kid's screen time to 4 or 5 movies over the 9 hour drive to my in-laws.

However, owning a real estate office, the ability to use the HDMI inputs to show relocating clients information about houses or even mirror Google maps (so they know where we are in the area) would be pretty amazing.

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New video review posted for the 2014 Durango. You probably won't learn anything you don't already know but it's good quality. Also, get your first known glimpse of the rear entertainment screens in action!

Big improvements come to 2014 Dodge Durango
Thanks for the find. See, and even though I'm watching a video of a video, the PQ doesn't look too bad. Now just need to find out how long they're actually going to take to start getting them into production vehicles, because I don't know that I would wait another month to order.
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So, while we can all say that we'd prefer higher resolution in-car displays, to claim that Chrysler is "ripping us off" because the resolution doesn't match that of tablets, in-home TVs, etc, is simply off base.

Now, Chrysler may in fact be ripping us off...but unless we are on the inside and know what "environmental" specifications are required and the cost, I think the accusations are just a little premature.
This was more or less my original point. My huge objection has been this attitude that Chrysler is "ripping off" people. NOBODY is being "ripped off." You aren't FORCED to buy this! It isn't a NEED. Do your due diligence and if you find the option is not worth the price to you then don't buy it. Chrysler has STATED the resolution of these screens. It's up to you to know what that mean and decide if it is worth it to you.
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To your argument about there being nothing wrong with expecting more...feel free. But use your example of the Tesla 17" screen. Now...how much does a Tesla cost? Do you really believe ALL of that is just for the battery and drivetrain technology? ...
Peter, OK, but resolution was not clearly stated, it could only be inferred if you did the math. Simply I was under the impression my long wait (ordered in August) was for ~720 HD given assumptions from marketing but now I see not only my errors but also the other inputs along with this feature change since had not given it so much thought. Hopefully other factors (like refresh rate) make it worth the ordeal. The video post earlier made it look sweet so getting over my buyer's remorse.

Sure, the Tesla is a wonderful technological expensive gimmick. The carbon breakeven point with a similar competing fossil fuel vehicle is around 80,000 miles (from a study) assuming no issues with batteries till that point but gets back in the carbon hole again once batteries have to be replaced. I don't recall what the batteries are rated for, but the Tesla is no Carbon free magic pill since it just transfers emissions from possibly urban environments (I guess may help with urban pollution if purchases centered there) to battery suppliers and the electric utilities elsewhere (not touching global warming debate). And yep, I do believe the battery implementation is way relatively expensive versus the 17-inch display. Had my eye on the Model X Tesla but can't wait another year (got delayed) for those 7 seats though liked the idea of free government money for purchasing something so ridiculously expensive that only the government can come up with a regressive handout like that. Figured with Durango, the new technology/value leader (Ford Explorer poorly executing their tech, Germans are GUI challenged, Japanese stuck in dash disasters and GM Lambdas so uninspiring), making so many smart feature changes and improvements that surprisingly exciting to watch/cheer.
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Peter, OK, but resolution was not clearly stated, it could only be inferred if you did the math. Simply I was under the impression my long wait (ordered in August) was for ~720 HD given assumptions from marketing but now I see not only my errors but also the other inputs along with this feature change since had not given it so much thought. Hopefully other factors (like refresh rate) make it worth the ordeal. The video post earlier made it look sweet so getting over my buyer's remorse.
Well, although it would be nice if marketing would simply "tell it as it is"...the primary purpose of marketing is to make things sound better than they are, and to convince you that you absolutely need to have something. I always keep that in mind when I see a marketing press release on anything.

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I don't recall what the batteries are rated for, but the Tesla is no Carbon free magic pill since it just transfers emissions from possibly urban environments (I guess may help with urban pollution if purchases centered there) to battery suppliers and the electric utilities elsewhere (not touching global warming debate).
Agreed. It's a good step, but until the energy-producing industry starts using "cleaner" ways of generating energy, effectively the only thing happening is exactly that transfer you are referring to. If everyone were to suddenly be gifted with Teslas, we'd have no CO2 emissions from vehicles. But then the power plants would ramp up due to the increased electrical demand and more CO2 would be emitted there.

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And yep, I do believe the battery implementation is way relatively expensive versus the 17-inch display.
Of course in relative terms it is. However, you're paying for a lot more in that vehicle than simply the battery/powertrain technology. Also, you're paying for lower production numbers and...honestly, novelty.

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Figured with Durango, the new technology/value leader (Ford Explorer poorly executing their tech, Germans are GUI challenged, Japanese stuck in dash disasters and GM Lambdas so uninspiring), making so many smart feature changes and improvements that surprisingly exciting to watch/cheer.
Well, all the auto manufacturers are having "difficulties" with their technology. They're having to speed up adoptation (due to demand, and the fact that they've realized that the basic vehicle isn't changing much anymore and isn't awe-inspiring to the population--they "added value" of the electronic toys is really where it's at) which has of course led to some interesting issues. Now the Japanese...I'm not sure where their heads are at but dash disasters isn't the only area. Some of their exterior styling...
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Can I politely ask that you guys start a thread on video tech, batteries and alternate fuel sources.

Milous will post some more info on the actual display technology but let's not completely hijack the features and changes thread as the Tesla and Durango will not be mating any time soon.
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Can I politely ask that you guys start a thread on video tech, batteries and alternate fuel sources. Milous will post some more info on the actual display technology but let's not completely hijack the features and changes thread as the Tesla and Durango will not be mating any time soon.
Lol...agreed. This did get way off course (guilty as charged here)
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