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Re: 2014 Durango Reviews

The Mashup is not up yet, but TFLCar just posted their Durango Review.

In short: 3 out of 4 stars, they mark the Limited down based on V-6 performance.

I can't give a real verdict on V-6 performance yet since I've only had it for a day, but so far it's everything I've wanted it to be. Of course the great thing about the Durango is you always have the Hemi option....the equivalent is simply not available on pretty much all competitors in the price range. (I believe only the Ford Explorer Sport with the turbo 6 could qualify as a similar competitive option in the price range.)
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The Mashup is not up yet, but TFLCar just posted their Durango Review. In short: 3 out of 4 stars, they mark the Limited down based on V-6 performance. I can't give a real verdict on V-6 performance yet since I've only had it for a day, but so far it's everything I've wanted it to be. Of course the great thing about the Durango is you always have the Hemi option....the equivalent is simply not available on pretty much all competitors in the price range. (I believe only the Ford Explorer Sport with the turbo 6 could qualify as a similar competitive option in the price range.)
The sport does crush the Durango in speed though. Still went with the D as I've had explorers before. One Eddie Bauer and one Sport. I'm pretty sure I can drive over the fords with my V8. Although I will always have live for my EB explorer. It treated me well. RIP, although I'm pretty sure some South American is driving it around now.


BTW what happened to the R/T they tested a while back and could not give driving impressions for. Put up that review already.
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Speaking for myself... The steering IIRC was much "heavier", and the truck felt like it was "wider" than it is. (seemed like a larger turn radius than it should, etc.) But for me, it was not so much how it drove, but how I "felt" in the drivers seat. I remember not being able to get "comfortable" in it, no matter how I tried to adjust the seat. It's hard to describe really. I distinctly remember feeling that the driver's door was a couple inches too far away (so I could not use the sill or arm rest to sit my arm on.) It was just a feeling that the "space" was just not right.
My recollection mirrors yours, Joey. I recall the arm rest feeling too far away. I didn't like the operation of the turn signal stalk, and felt like having to look at the instrument cluster was to big of a focus change from looking at the road. Only way I can describe it is to say that it felt like a long look down...

My wife, who is 5'1" found that in the passenger seat, when adjusted for overall comfort, her feet didn't touch the floor.

The other deal breaker for us was that when folding the third row it flipped into the cargo well.
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I hated all aspects of the explorer, and thought the Acadia was a much nicer car. I was right about to buy the Acadia when I thought, hmm might as well try the Durango... glad I did
We almost did too. My wife preferred it, but the Durango won on price, trade value difference, and some other things that were functionally different. I think da we compared 2014 D to the Acadia it would have been no contest. '13 D to Acadia was a harder choice, but since we made the decision the Acadia hasn't been mentioned.

Is the D perfect? No, and no vehicle ever is, but the nits are small, and I bet will fade over time as familiarity breeds.
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In short: 3 out of 4 stars, they mark the Limited down based on V-6 performance. I can't give a real verdict on V-6 performance yet since I've only had it for a day, but so far it's everything I've wanted it to be.
I wonder if the tried it out of ECO mode. I did briefly the other day, and felt it made a difference. Using the paddles helps too

Also TFL does a lot if their testing in Colorado where the altitude doesn't help things....
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Re: 2014 Durango Reviews

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Speaking for myself...

The steering IIRC was much "heavier", and the truck felt like it was "wider" than it is. (seemed like a larger turn radius than it should, etc.) But for me, it was not so much how it drove, but how I "felt" in the drivers seat. I remember not being able to get "comfortable" in it, no matter how I tried to adjust the seat. It's hard to describe really. I distinctly remember feeling that the driver's door was a couple inches too far away (so I could not use the sill or arm rest to sit my arm on.) It was just a feeling that the "space" was just not right.
Spot on with what I found as well.

It felt like it was designed for a guy twice my girth (from a seating perspective). I could not find a position to get comfortable while driving. The door was too far away, as was the center arm rest.

Driving it in a straight line, it was pure awesome (Sport). I chewed up and spit out cars left and right. That engine is a thing of beauty... but that was basically it. The Explorer handles poorly in a parking lot. It seriously feels like it's HUGE and at no point did I feel comfortable parking it.

The other issue we ran into is that the back doors were large, but also cupped at the bottom (rolling in at the bottoms to cup the body). This made it extremely difficult to get out of those doors without having a wide parking spot, or no car next to us.

I found the mechanisms to fold down the 3rd row annoying as well. Dodge did this right. Ford over complicated it in my view.

I also experienced the oddness that is MySync, it spazzed out a few times and would not leave the backup view while on a test drive, and completely locked up playing music (and set the volume to near max while doing so as we were flying down the highway... not cool).

Offroad, I think is where Dodge screwed up with the Durango. Stripping the V6 of a Hi/Lo gear box option was a bonehead move in my mind (the JGC V6 has Hi/Lo just fine, but no ELSD in the read Diff).

I'm also annoyed the didn't follow the Merc and allow an air ride option.

I guess they are saving these for the Grand Wagoneer and don't want to build in competition... still.. annoying.

My biggest gripe though is no CRD option. I ordered a JGC CRD that should be here any day now, but the Durango would have been a great candidate for it as well. Again, I think this is a Wagoneer thing.

At anyrate, despite these flaws, still loving the Citadel. So quiet, so smooth, so big and yet nimble for a girl of her size.

As for other rides that compare to the Durango/JGC, I've been playing with an Audi Q7 TDI... soooo nice. But soooo expensive comparatively. I also dinked around with a Highlander, a Pilot, and a Pathfinder (Oy... that poor thing), a BMW X5 xDrive 35d, Mercedes Benz 350 BluTech, and a Range Rover Sport. We did look at a Volvo XC 90, but I've had a few coworkers warn me that the drivetrain was garbage (a few coworkers reporting having a transmission swapped out every 40k).

I found, in all honestly, the Highlander put up a decent fight (especially the Hybrid). But the interior was just not as nicely appointed as the Durango. Add in the fear of that battery pack checking out a few years down the road and having to suck up that expense killed that for us.

The Merc was nice as well, but, I just got rid of a E55. Mercs are nice, but, you need a trust fund to keep em fixed and maintained (typically in that order I've found with the 3 I've had). Plus, the price point was pretty gnarly as well (slightly higher than the Audi). That said, it was very well mannered on the road, very quiet, smooth (what you'd expect), and with the diesel, it had plenty of grunt (not as much as the Audi or BMW though). Decently maneuverable (akin to the Durango, slightly tighter with more feedback in the wheel). Quieter than the Durango on the road with a slightly smoother ride (I suspect due to the air suspension).

The BMW was a magnificent thing for eating up the road. SOOOOOO much power in that twin turbo diesel. But, I found the ride a little harsh compared to the Merc, Audi or Durango. Tire slap was mildly intrusive into the cabin as well. I thought it handled the best though (extremely nimble). However, the 3rd row was a joke. It was like sitting on a park bench. Very little thigh support and clearly, and afterthought (it's where you'd send people you don't like, and never want to make eye contact with ever again, to).

The Pathfinder.. yeah... no. Just... no.

The Pilot was "ok". It felt older though, something in need of a refresh, and no where near as nice inside.

The Range Rover was... mmm... so nice. But WAY the hell overpriced. That said, I'd slate it more in the JGC grouping than in the Durango. The Range Rover is clearly meant to go offroad if you want (God help you if you scratch that though.. holy hell, ya think offroading in a $50k JGC is bad, try a $90k Range Rover). None of these in this list would I consider "Offroad". They can drive on dirt roads, but would probably be flummoxed by anything moderately challenging.

I digress, for 3rd row SUV I think the Durango is the best pick due to the features, the price point, and overall functionality you get out of it.

But that's me, your mileage may vary.
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Also TFL does a lot if their testing in Colorado where the altitude doesn't help things....
Yeah... a Turbo on the V6 would be a welcome thing...
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Re: 2014 Durango Reviews

TFL posted the first part of the weird mash up with the Durango, QX, Ranger Rover and Highlander.

2014 QX80 vs Range Rover Sport vs Highlander vs Durango Mega Mashup Review (Part 1) | TFLCar.com: Automotive News, Views and ReviewsThe Fast Lane Car: Auto News, Views, and Reviews

Have not watched it, or read the comments yet.
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TFL posted the first part of the weird mash up with the Durango, QX, Ranger Rover and Highlander. 2014 QX80 vs Range Rover Sport vs Highlander vs Durango Mega Mashup Review (Part 1) | TFLCar.com: Automotive News, Views and ReviewsThe Fast Lane Car: Auto News, Views, and Reviews Have not watched it, or read the comments yet.
Was watching while you posted this. I've always thought that car was ugly, and they agreed. Since they bring up the 8000Lbs towing capability, it's a shame they don't use a Hemi in the Durango.
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Was watching while you posted this. I've always thought that car was ugly, and they agreed. Since they bring up the 8000Lbs towing capability, it's a shame they don't use a Hemi in the Durango.
I liked the line about it looking like a happy hippopotamus. I was thinking Beluga whale.

Agreed its, ah, unique looking...
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I would have considered a used QX80 myself...but I could not get past the beluga hippo looks either.

Anyway...part 2 is up...Range Rover...

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