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Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

I'm behind a few years concerning MP3s or other portable music types. Never owned an iPod. Still don't. I stopped having time for music about the time MP3s hit the street.

Since I did not order the CD Player, how do I get my CDs converted for playing in the 2014 Durango Citadel?

I downloaded and Ripped one CD using dbPowerAmp (recommended elsewhere). The default is FLAC. Must I convert these to MP3, or re-rip as MP3?

Questions are...
1) Does the Durango only understand MP3?
2) Can I store these on a USB Thumb Drive and simply plug into the Durango? Must it be USB 2, or 3?
3) Or is a high-speed card better -- such as SDHC Ultra 10?
4) Or can I use a 1TB Portable Drive, such as a Western Digital My Passport Ultra? Or is that massive overkill?
5) Or should I just buy a Nano or iPod?

If there are articles I can read to better explain all this, I'd be happy to read them.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

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I'm behind a few years concerning MP3s or other portable music types. Never owned an iPod. Still don't. I stopped having time for music about the time MP3s hit the street.

Since I did not order the CD Player, how do I get my CDs converted for playing in the 2014 Durango Citadel?

I downloaded and Ripped one CD using dbPowerAmp (recommended elsewhere). The default is FLAC. Must I convert these to MP3, or re-rip as MP3?

Questions are...
1) Does the Durango only understand MP3?
2) Can I store these on a USB Thumb Drive and simply plug into the Durango? Must it be USB 2, or 3?
3) Or is a high-speed card better -- such as SDHC Ultra 10?
4) Or can I use a 1TB Portable Drive, such as a Western Digital My Passport Ultra? Or is that massive overkill?
5) Or should I just buy a Nano or iPod?

If there are articles I can read to better explain all this, I'd be happy to read them.

Thanks in advance!
First I would use programs like Windows Media player or iTunes. Both of those will take a CD and rip it and convert it to MP3. They will also automatically grab the song titles and artist information. They both allow you to set the bitrate as well, so you can choose 128k, 160k 192k, 256k, 320k (highest). Basically higher the "k" means a higher bitrate and less compression, so basically better quality. Most rip a CD in the 192k range to find a happy medium. You don't want FLAC technically, its almost a Raw rip meaning you are not gaining any compression, its taking the bits off the CD in basically raw format.

Durango does understand MP3s. I haven't tried anything else as most of my library is MP3 based already.

You can store these on a USB drive like a jump or thumb drive and yes the Durango can read from that. Either one (USB2 or 3 will work but USB2 is preferred as this isn't a high speed reader. USB3 might be finicky if it doesn't properly support USB2. So id just use USB2.

Also not sure if you can throw a 1TB drive on there. Mainly because I think it only supports the standard FAT/FAT32 and maybe exFat, you cant do 1TB on a FAT32. 1TB is a ALOT of mp3s. Hell even on my 16gb card Ive got 600songs and only using 6gig of it.

High speed card like a MicroSD or SDcard wont entirely help mainly cause its only reading from the card. Those Class10 or UHS1 are more for sustained write speeds. But yes you can use it. It will really only help when you copy the songs to the card. After that the Durango will just read from it and its not doing anything high speed really.

As far as an iPod, I cant answer that. Im not a fan of them. I like just dumping my library on my MicroSD card and putting it in and got full access to everything just like an iPod would without the use of an iPod also.

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Re: Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

Thanks! That all makes sense, and I found a few articles online. You answered most everything I thought of last night.

I got the USB Drive to work this morning -- sounds good! The Memory Card did not (Speed 10 Ultra), so I'll try a different one.

On the USB Drive it listed the Tracks backwards -- Track 1 was shown as Track 12, but played first. Then 2 was shown as Track 11, but played second. Anything I'm doing that might cause that?

Should I organize within Folders, or will Folders confuse the system?

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Re: Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

The Memory Card shouldn't be an issue, check the format on it. See if its set to FAT32 or exFat, not sure what size the one you are using. Im using a MicroSD card inside a MicroSD to SDCard adaptor and it works fine. That's just a 16gb Class2 card in there (from my old Blackberry).

I would recommend putting them in folders. Mine are all in folders (each album being its own folder). So I can see all the folders and select any one and then it shows the songs inside that.

As far as backwards not sure, unless the system is reading it in alphabetical order. Sometimes file systems think 11 is before 1 because it puts first part of the 11 as 1, then anything behind it is a sub-alphabetical. like 1.1. So usually to fix that you have to tell the ripping programs (like iTunes or Media Player can do this) to put the track numbers in like 01 instead of 1. Then it will always be first because 01 clearly comes before 11 even in true alphabetical form the system reads. That could be the reason just looking at. Or the ripping program put a mp3 list file in there and ordered it wrong, it can read the mp3 list files inside the folder (which actually tells it the order), if its there you need to correct it in that list or just remove it.

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I'm behind a few years concerning MP3s or other portable music types. Never owned an iPod. Still don't. I stopped having time for music about the time MP3s hit the street.
I don't want you to overlook the obvious here, but what kind of a phone do you have? If you have a cell phone and that cell phone is a smart phone of some sort, it most likely has bluetooth. You can play bluetooth directly to your durango. You just need to pair it once then it will remember and from them one you can play from your phone through the car's audios system. I haven't used my car's stereo radio or usb for a thumb drive in years. Everything comes off my iPhone and goes through the car radio. Mine happens to be a Ford Escape, but it's no different with the Durango. I listen to some music but a ton of podcast that get automatically downloaded to my phone and then played through the car audio. What's more the iphone will quit when I get out of the car and pick right up when i get back in. Again, don't think this is unique to the iphone or the Ford Radio, and am quite sure it will work this way with the Durango.

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Re: Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

I was wondering the exact same thing. I am slowly working through my hoard of CDs and ripping them to MP3s. Only 5 -1/2 more large binders to go! 8-)

Questions...
a) Does the music quality deteriorate over Bluetooth vs. USB?
b) Does an incoming phone call on that phone interrupt the playback?

I use a Samsung Note 2 (but may be upgrading to a Note 3 soon). Android guy -- not Apple. I have nothing against Apple -- just worked out that way my whole life. Some articles claim the iTunes interface is very quick-to-respond vs. anything else. But I have no way of testing it.
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I was wondering the exact same thing. I am slowly working through my hoard of CDs and ripping them to MP3s. Only 5 -1/2 more large binders to go! 8-)

Questions...
a) Does the music quality deteriorate over Bluetooth vs. USB?
b) Does an incoming phone call on that phone interrupt the playback?

I use a Samsung Note 2 (but may be upgrading to a Note 3 soon). Android guy -- not Apple. I have nothing against Apple -- just worked out that way my whole life. Some articles claim the iTunes interface is very quick-to-respond vs. anything else. But I have no way of testing it.
Again, I can only speak with certainly to the iphone experience, but I can't imagine it would be a lot different on android. Nor am I an audiophile.

The real music people will say vinyl is still the way to go. I'm not that person. For me the bluetooth is just fine. In fact, more than fine. It's wonderful. And yes, the music is suspended during a phone call, then picks up where it left off when you disconnect.
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Re: Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

I should also add that you can use Pandora and Spotify on your phone as well, and they will play right through to your Durango's audio system. With Pandora, for example, you create a station based on a type of music you enjoy, even basic on an artist. Then Pandora's algorithm will guess what other songs you might like. You can give each song the thumbs up or down and Pandora will learn. You can discover artists or songs you've never heard of. Spotify's strength has been it's connection with social media to play other songs that other people listen to based on your selection of a particular artist. I think theses two apps are becoming more comparable. In addition, they both have free and paid versions. The free versions include ads.
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Re: Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

Perfect! Thanks for all the answers. Much of it is as I suspected. I am not an audiophile but I grew up in the Vinyl Era and then witnessed the horrible fighting and accusations that went on when CDs appeared on the scene.

In fact, I saw the first CD player demo at an electronics event in Landover, MD called "The Thing" (I think it was sponsored by local radio stations and Circuit City, Myer-Emco, etc.). They had it in a back room and if you wandered in there all you saw was a small unit and no record player. The music appeared as if by magic when you hit the Play button and this small mirrored disc started spinning. People could hardly believe it.

Stereo Review Magazine spent the next several years trying to quell the rebellion by certain die-hard Vinyl Addicts and after several blind listening tests concluded that Digital vs. Analog came down to only one issue: If you believed Analog made a difference, then it DID. To you.

Anyway, I'm keeping an ear open for some of the new proposed music formats such as that proposed by Neil Young. I doubt it will get much footing.

I'm definitely checking into Pandora and Spotify.

Right now, I'm a little shocked how scratched a lot of my CDs are... bummer!
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Perfect! Thanks for all the answers. Much of it is as I suspected. I am not an audiophile but I grew up in the Vinyl Era and then witnessed the horrible fighting and accusations that went on when CDs appeared on the scene.
As did I. You probably remember sticking a book of matches under an 8 track tape to keep it playing?

I think there are ways to clean up those cds too. I've not done it myself, but I think you can use a mild abrasive to take the scratches out of the CDs, like toothpaste. The music isn't recorded on the surface, but essentially on the underneath side of the label.

One thing apple does, through it's iTunes Match is for I think $20 per year match every song in your library to songs on their servers, and then they will stream those songs to all your iOS devices in the highest quality available, so the scratchy CDs become irrelevant so long as apple can identify the song. Apple also has a player like Pandora called iTunes Radio and if you pay the iTunes Match fee, they take the ads out of the radio player.

One thing I failed to mention too, is that if you add the cellular data plan, you can get Pandora and other apps on the Durango itself, but you don't have to have cellular data in order to play those apps through your phone's bluetooth.
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Re: Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

After getting through several of my CDs and encountering quality issues, I decided to purchase an "expensive" restoration machine off Amazon. I'll see how that performs. It costs $119, but that beats replacing all the CDs or buying all new MP3 versions of the albums.

If anyone is interested:
Amazon.com: JFJ Easy Pro Universal CD/DVD Repair Machine 110V: Electronics

Or search for "JFJ Easy Pro Universal" online.
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Re: Need Help Understanding Music Issues in 2014 Durango

The copy-to-USB stick idea is working just fine. All the folders are instantly identified by the Durango.

Next I tried copying to a Music folder that I created on my internal microSD card in my Samsung Note 3 phone -- no dice. It connects when I hit Bluetooth, but no songs are listed. I'll assume it's expecting them to be directly on the phones internal memory, but I'm trying to avoid using that area.

Any thoughts or pointers? The idea is to play them over Bluetooth.
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