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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

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Having similar problems to those discussed in previous posts.

Getting a squeaking/whining that I can best describe as similar to the sound a rusty swing makes.

In the past week the sound has happened when I:

1) Am stopped and turn the wheel back and forth
2) Push down on the front bumper above the wheel
3) Go over bumps of any size
4) Let my foot off the brake to start in motion

It doesn't consistently do it on any of these occassions however.

There are 5+ diagnoses listed above, and I wouldn't know one from the other.

I am afraid I won't be able to replicate for a mechanic, and even if I could, that they wouldn't attempt to save me some money if it's possible.

Any suggestions? Or diagrams referring to all these parts mentioned above.

Thanks.

OK. Need some help. As mentioned above I was getting a moan sound when turning the wheel. Got under the car after work and pinpointed the sound to the right side. When the wheel is moved from right to left, but not the opposite, the sound is coming from the part with the arrow in the two pictures. It definitely sounds like it is coming more from the joint shown in the second picture, but because it only makes the sound moving one direction has me unsure.

1) What am I pointing to?
2) Agree/disagree it's probably from the joint?
3) Could that part, if bad, make a similar sound while driving straight over bumps?

Thanks again everyone.
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:10 PM
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

Anybody got a name for this for me?
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:57 PM
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

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Anybody got a name for this for me?

Thats a tie-rod end. The first picture was the arm from the steering rack that moves the knuckle when your turn the wheel. I doubt that would squeak but the ball joint (on the end of the tie rod) can make popping sound etc.

Directly above that though (in first picture) is the sway bar where it connects to the sway link which you could be hearing and mistake for the tie rod end. That will certainly squeak over time and require new end link which is pretty cheap. (sway link is piece that runs vertical in picture and bolts to sway bar and then the lower control arm - runs parallel to arrow in your pic)

Id disagree with your guess here, probably not tie rod although the cost about $5 at napa and are a pretty easy swap. Easy way to know if its bad is to check end for play at joint, does it move, is rubber around the joint all torn, thats good sign the piece your pointing to needs a change.
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

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Id disagree with your guess here, probably not tie rod although the cost about $5 at napa and are a pretty easy swap. Easy way to know if its bad is to check end for play at joint, does it move, is rubber around the joint all torn, thats good sign the piece your pointing to needs a change.
Got back under there and I think you've got me convinced that it's not what I was pointing to. Leaning towards the sway link on the right side.

Now 2 questions:

1) Is this all I need to do the replacement?

2) Should I get one for both sides even though I think the left is fine?

I think I'm going to buy the ones I linked and if replacing fixes the problem then I may return these and get some bwoodys.
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

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Getting a squeaking/whining that I can best describe as similar to the sound a rusty swing makes when I:

1) Am stopped and turn the wheel back and forth
2) Push down on the front bumper above the wheel
3) Go over bumps of any size
4) Let my foot off the brake to start in motion
Forget my previous post. The joint pictured at the bottom of the wheel, left of the sway link is definitely my problem. Verified yesterday it is the cause of the occurrences described above. That is where the lower control arm connects to....I'm not sure.?

I'm guessing there is a ball joint in there that has probably gone bad. Hopefully the control arm itself is still fine. Is replacing that ball joint a DIY job? Any recommendations on a good replacement aside from OEM at the dealer?
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

Anybody? I'd like to give this a go this weekend if it's a possible DIY.
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Not sure. They.have to be pressed out/in. Dont know if you can rent that tool though.
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

How hard is it to DIY replace the upper control arm? What's entailed? You cannot get the bushings separate correct?
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

I don't know if you can buy the bushings separately, but I can say the replacement was really quite easy - I just tackled this job yesterday evening.

It took me about 2hrs. to do both sides, taking my time.

I took out the inner fenders in both wheel wells (5 plastic rivots have to be drilled out and 2 are reusable, per side) first. It would be a lot easier with the wheels off, but I wanted to make sure I could reach all of the bolts and spray everything down with PB Blaster before starting the job.

Then jack it up, support on axle stands and remove the wheels. On the drivers side, you can get access to both of the UCA mounting nuts/bolts without moving anything. On the passenger side, if you have the stock intake you will get a lot more room to work by removing the airbox (also super easy to do).

It is a whole lot easier to separate the upper control arm from the knuckle using the right tool! I used a large pitman arm puller instead of the miller special tool ($20 vs. $200+). I ended up buying a 5-pc. front end service set from Harbour Freight for $50. Figured even if it only lasts this job, it still saves some cash.

When you are separating the knuckle from the UCA, I would tie it to the spring to stop it from crashing down when the UCA finally separates. I also just backed the nut off a few threads from the spindle, that way when it did pop out using the puller, it would hit the nut and not my leg or snap a brake line or something. Once it was separated, I removed the nut off the spindle and allowed the knuckle to be supported by the string I had tied to the spring.

Once separated, you can remove the two bolts securing the UCA to the frame - I coated mine a couple days earlier with PB blaster, as I could see they were a little rusty. They broke loose without any problems and minimal effort. It was a little tough to fit the bolts past the springs, as they backed out they would get stuck up against the spring, so I would have to lower/raise whole assembly by putting a jack under the lower control arm until I could get the right angle for them to have enough room to pop out (if anyone has any better tricks than this, please share!).

Once the bolts were out, the whole UCA just slides right out, and I put the new one in and reversed procedure. Again, the bolts were a little tricky due to the location of the springs, but the same trick of compressing and releasing the suspension allowed me to get them in.

I tightened the UCA bolts to the frame at 80 ft.lbs, and the spindle nut to 65 ft.lbs.

I found the hardest part was getting the bolts to clear the spring...I'm sure there is a much simpler solution than what I did, but hey it was 7pm after a long day of work!

I would certainly classify it is a rather simple DIY job! I had a little too much play in the UCA ball joints, and rather than take it to a shop or press in the new BJ myself, I picked up the two UCAs for under $150. $10 for the plastic rivets, and around $50 for the front-end tool set. Now I have brand new greasable UCAs, a few more tools, and another job I know I can handle myself!

What I used:

Floor jack plus two jack stands

Flat blade screwdriver to remove re-usable rivots

” drive torque wrench + various extensions (as needed)

”-18mm deep socket

”-19mm deep socket (for most replacement UCA spindle nuts)

3/8” drive ratchet + 15 mm socket and/or 15 mm combination wrench (to hold UCA nuts)

Large Pitman arm puller (to separate spindle and knuckle)

Plastic pop rivets (Harbor Freight Tools #67566 is what I used) and rivet gun to re-attach inner fenders.
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

Man thanks for the write up. Will definitely come in handy. What replacement arms did you get? I thought OEM was the only replacement and two for under $150 isn't happening for OEM.
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

I purchased mine from RockAuto.com.

Just make sure you get a complete UCA unit (some do not come with the balljoint, but most do).

Also, if you spend a few minutes searching online you can usually find a 5% - 20% off coupon for the site
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Re: "Squeaky" Sound coming from front suspension

Are the bushings on the UCA serviceable or do you have to get the whole arm? Dealer said whole arm but I'd be broke if I listened to everything the dealer said.
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