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How do I get more suspension travel?

I just bought a 2010 5.7L WK with QDII on it. I didn't know that the suspension on it was as tight as it is, as I figured that with 4x4 and the ground-clearance, it was engineered to articulate, as well, but as I bottom the suspension out over the speed bumps that my Z06 and 370Z easily cleared, I am discovering that this was probably similar to the SRT8, made only for the highway, and a smooth one at that!

I have already put Bilstein 4600's on it, but they are just getting dented up from the suspension bottoming out. I had hoped they would provide more ability.

Anyway, I might just get a Subaru or something, although I love this vehicle, I do live in an apartment complex with speed bumps, and was planning on some mild off-road (gravel driveway, etc.) but I can see now that maybe the GJC isn't up to the task. Would like some opinions on it before I do anything drastic, though!

I need an OFF-ROAD! capable vehicle. The 18" rims and lack of "trail-rated" badge should have acted as a clue that this was smooth-sailing only (Limited w/optional rims aren't trail-rated and maybe they have a highway-only suspension, skidplates just for show/because they are on the other jeeps and the 18" package comes later on down the assy. line or something? It certainly is incapable of articulating over ANYTHING that would come near the skidplate, so I am at a loss, there!), but hey, live and learn...so how can I fix it (if it can be)! If not, I have heard good things about the Subaru Forester, and know people with them. They are definitely more off-road oriented than my Jeep, for sure, but I wanted the V8, and American, and so here I am, angling over speed-bumps just like in my Z06, lol!

Anyway, do I need a lift kit? 4 or 6"? I need to have the suspension articulate enough to clear about a 4" speed-bump, at the bare minimum. Will the lift-kit give me articulation, or just ground-clearance? Ground-clearance isn't the issue. It's the fact that when the suspension moves, it beats the shocks into the axles because of how close packed everything is up front and how little range of motion it has---about 1 inch. Also, cost??

This reminds me of traction-bars on my 1988 mustang 5.0. I took them off pretty fast! Dunno how this can be modded out, though. Need it to have enough to get me to/from work in the city at LEAST, though!
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Re: How do I get more suspension travel?

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I just bought a 2010 5.7L WK with QDII on it. I didn't know that the suspension on it was as tight as it is, as I figured that with 4x4 and the ground-clearance, it was engineered to articulate, as well, but as I bottom the suspension out over the speed bumps that my Z06 and 370Z easily cleared, I am discovering that this was probably similar to the SRT8, made only for the highway, and a smooth one at that!

I have already put Bilstein 4600's on it, but they are just getting dented up from the suspension bottoming out. I had hoped they would provide more ability.

Anyway, I might just get a Subaru or something, although I love this vehicle, I do live in an apartment complex with speed bumps, and was planning on some mild off-road (gravel driveway, etc.) but I can see now that maybe the GJC isn't up to the task. Would like some opinions on it before I do anything drastic, though!

I need an OFF-ROAD! capable vehicle. The 18" rims and lack of "trail-rated" badge should have acted as a clue that this was smooth-sailing only (Limited w/optional rims aren't trail-rated and maybe they have a highway-only suspension, skidplates just for show/because they are on the other jeeps and the 18" package comes later on down the assy. line or something? It certainly is incapable of articulating over ANYTHING that would come near the skidplate, so I am at a loss, there!), but hey, live and learn...so how can I fix it (if it can be)! If not, I have heard good things about the Subaru Forester, and know people with them. They are definitely more off-road oriented than my Jeep, for sure, but I wanted the V8, and American, and so here I am, angling over speed-bumps just like in my Z06, lol!

Anyway, do I need a lift kit? 4 or 6"? I need to have the suspension articulate enough to clear about a 4" speed-bump, at the bare minimum. Will the lift-kit give me articulation, or just ground-clearance? Ground-clearance isn't the issue. It's the fact that when the suspension moves, it beats the shocks into the axles because of how close packed everything is up front and how little range of motion it has---about 1 inch. Also, cost??

This reminds me of traction-bars on my 1988 mustang 5.0. I took them off pretty fast! Dunno how this can be modded out, though. Need it to have enough to get me to/from work in the city at LEAST, though!
Are you sure you don't have a broken spring? It should easily be able do go over speed bumps with no problem and is a very capable vehicle off road. Can you post a pic of it from the side?
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Re: How do I get more suspension travel?

I never had the issues your describing but it sounds like something is loose or you need to slow down on the speed bumps. Mines a 2wd, with said "high way" suspension and there is only one place I have ever bottomed it out. That was going over rail road tracks at 45mph, they where doubles going down hill so they had the yump in them. Hit speed bumps doing 15 and no issue. Maybe it has something to do with the larger bodied bilstiens....
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Re: How do I get more suspension travel?

Also worth mentioning, mines been offroad quite a few times when I got it. Barried to the floor boards and articulated over rocks. Not one dent in the suspension.
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Re: How do I get more suspension travel?

No springs are broken. I go about 2 to 3 mph over them. It does it on hard turns left which compress suspension too. Not so good of a city vehicle. More for highway. There is only one measly inch between the bottom of the front shocks and the axles.
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No springs are broken. I go about 2 to 3 mph over them. It does it on hard turns left which compress suspension too. Not so good of a city vehicle. More for highway. There is only one measly inch between the bottom of the front shocks and the axles.
Something still does not sound right. Hows your ball joints and bushings look? And it only does it turning left or bumps. Check also your sway bar endlinks and those bushings too.
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Yeah something has to be up. I've bottomed out once and I'm lowered with the srt8 suspension. Lived in apartments with huge bumps for 3 years.
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Something still does not sound right. Hows your ball joints and bushings look? And it only does it turning left or bumps. Check also your sway bar endlinks and those bushings too.
They look okay to me. No tears or rot or anything visual, and when I grab and violently shake them, I feel 0 slack. Everything looks G2G. Grabbing every piece of metal under there and giving it a shake resulted in me just feeling weak. Nothing moved or anything.

But seriously. There is no clearance here. See my nice new shock all beat up?

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No springs are broken. I go about 2 to 3 mph over them. It does it on hard turns left which compress suspension too. Not so good of a city vehicle. More for highway. There is only one measly inch between the bottom of the front shocks and the axles.
Are you sure it's actually bottoming out and isn't just a suspension clunk?
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Yeah something has to be up. I've bottomed out once and I'm lowered with the srt8 suspension. Lived in apartments with huge bumps for 3 years.
That's crazy. I can't even corner in this thing on stock suspension + the little lift from the Bilsteins! All my friends said get the Ford. Or GM. Or...anything but a Dodge. I did not listen. I'm starting to regret it at this point, but the good thing is that I am not as upside down in this as I was in my 370Z, so digging myself out of it shouldn't be as hard.
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Are you sure it's actually bottoming out and isn't just a suspension clunk?
See the peened and bent shock absorber above...
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Re: How do I get more suspension travel?

that trail rated badge has gotten me out of being buried to the bottom of my door and my suspension is still fine even at 200k. something is up. How are your shocks lookin?
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