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Might buy sway bars/links. Technical tips?

over the next year I plan on buying the Addco sway bars (front 2320 and rear 2321), the BWoody sway links, and Energy Suspension polyurethane guessable sway bar bushing (front 9.5173 and rear 9.5158). I already have the BWoody track bar (just for fun, didn't do much)

I drive a commander (Pretty much the same suspension as a WK). How does the installation go? Is there a need to jack up in any certain way to relieve tension/pressure before unbolting or bolting back on? Or can I just install while its sitting on the ground? What are the torque values for installing?

Also, with greasable bushings, how often do I need to grease them? People say these Energy bushing alone improve handling - is that true?

If anyone has any experience with these upgrades, I'd love to hear your personal feedback as well!

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Re: Might buy sway bars/links. Technical tips?

I had B woody links and took them off, since the ride was too harsh, so much that you feel every bump, and they are horrible for even light offroading. They are honestly a poor design, since there is no ball joint on the rears. Poly bushings will squeek over every road irregularity in short order, and need greasing often. I have them another another vehicle and it is not worth it IMO. I found the biggest difference with handling is with good replacement shocks and tires. You already have SRT bars, which are stock for Commander.
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Re: Might buy sway bars/links. Technical tips?

couple suggestions being as I have had the bwoody links and the addco rear swaybar WITH energy greasable bushings. id scrap the idea of running those with the rear addco, I ended up swapping in moog thermoplastics and have never been happier. the energy bushings constantly need attention- youll be under there every oil change throwing some grease on them. the thermoplastics I threw in last fall and theyre fine, I also threw them on the front SRT swaybar. if you don't grease the energys on the reg, your swaybar will squeak and wear out the bushing which will eventually cause annoying rattle. as far as improving handling- doubt it, I haven't noticed a difference since I swapped bushings.


as for the bwoody links, I agree with the comment above- youll feel every bump. plus you need to stay on top greasing those too or they become noisy. I run moog swaybar bushings as well and im more than content with them. as for the swaybar links, id install the fronts with the wheels on, on level ground. the rear youre going to have to jack up and throw on jack stands so its level. to replace the bushings, the drivers side is going to be a pain because of the gas tank. youll want to have the links disconnected and throw the jeep on jack stands and lower the axle down enough to access the bolts for the bushing bracket.. its a PITA

im at that point with my jeep where I don't enjoy being under it on the reg anymore. save some money and some time and get the maintenance free parts that you can throw on and wont have to worry about for a couple years. unless you enjoy greasing your jeep every oil change.
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Re: Might buy sway bars/links. Technical tips?

I have front and rear srt sway bars with the Bwoody endlinks that are greasable and I like the way the jeep handles. Had them on for two years plus now with no issues. I ran the srt swaybars for a year with stock links and I like it better with the Bwoody 's. Stock links had 22k at the time. But I do grease them a couple times a year.


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Re: Might buy sway bars/links. Technical tips?

I have H&R springs, WK Bilstiens, Addco Sways (front & rear) with BWoody grease-able links (front & rear) on my 2010 WK and LOVE the ride! Perfect balance between sport and utility!

I had mine professionally installed, but I will say this:

Fronts: My wheel set-up are stock 17x7.5's and I needed 1" wheel spacers due to the fact that when turning lock to lock, the inside of the wheels would bang the front sway bar (yes they are that big)!! Problem solved with 1" spacers, plus they look better with the wheels a little further out. I would think if you're running SRT8 wheels, you wouldn't have that issue. Second, I needed to install some small diameter muffler clamps on the inside of the front sway bar in order to prevent it from moving laterally. Problem solved with the small clamps!

Rears: As I remember, the tech that installed the Bwoody links on the Addco swaybar needed to drill out the bolt opening on the sway in order to accommodate the link bolt (he complained about it to me, that's why I remember??)

As for squeaks? Very minor, but when I do hear it (over speed bumps, driveways, etc) I spray silicone spray on the bushings of the sway bar bushing clamps (that's where they squeak, not the links) and it goes away for a while, not a big deal to me. The Bwoody links (I bought the greaseable ones) require regular greasing. Be sure to do that, or you'll be buying new ones! Every oil change, I get under there and grease the links and spray the silicone on the bushings! No issues with anything for over 20k miles so far!

With my suspension setup, I would challenge a stock SRT8 in the twisties even with my stock 245/60/17 tires; YES its' THAT good!! FLAT!! Best of all, when you're on the highway doing 80 (or so), the truck is PLANTED!!

I hope this helped, good luck buddy!
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Re: Might buy sway bars/links. Technical tips?

Regarding the above comment, it may handle flat with those mods, but there is no free lunch and there are major compromises to such a setup, mainly driving on any type of rough road is highly undesirable and you end up with a jeep that has zero offroad capability. It is also a very bad idea to put wheel spacers on a vehicle, and any mechanic that would do this is a hack and not a pro. They increase scrub radius, which increases tire wear, and also change the dynamic toe in when braking or accellerating, i.e. tires lose contact and under heavy braking you lose stability, making it unsafe. Pushing the wheels out increases the moment of intertia, i.e. leverage on the wheel bearings, which causes them to wear out much faster. THere are better ways to improve handling, without compromising the ride. I installed much higher quality (forged) upper and lower arms in front and in rear, (stock is cheap stamped steel) high quality control arm bushings and heavy duty greasable balljoints. With stock springs, stock swaybars, moog stock endlinks, and Koni FSD's, the handling is remarkable, (friends who ride in it cannot believe how smooth and sharp it handles, plus it absorbs the bumps and is great off road.
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Re: Might buy sway bars/links. Technical tips?

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Regarding the above comment, it may handle flat with those mods, but there is no free lunch and there are major compromises to such a setup, mainly driving on any type of rough road is highly undesirable and you end up with a jeep that has zero offroad capability. It is also a very bad idea to put wheel spacers on a vehicle, and any mechanic that would do this is a hack and not a pro. They increase scrub radius, which increases tire wear, and also change the dynamic toe in when braking or accellerating, i.e. tires lose contact and under heavy braking you lose stability, making it unsafe. Pushing the wheels out increases the moment of intertia, i.e. leverage on the wheel bearings, which causes them to wear out much faster. THere are better ways to improve handling, without compromising the ride. I installed much higher quality (forged) upper and lower arms in front and in rear, (stock is cheap stamped steel) high quality control arm bushings and heavy duty greasable balljoints. With stock springs, stock swaybars, moog stock endlinks, and Koni FSD's, the handling is remarkable, (friends who ride in it cannot believe how smooth and sharp it handles, plus it absorbs the bumps and is great off road.
Max recommended wheel spacer is 1", no more. You're not going to get any of the adverse characteristics you mentioned from a 1" wheel spacer!

Glad to hear you are pleased with the results from your control arms, I'm sure they are a nice upgrade.
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Regarding the above comment, it may handle flat with those mods, but there is no free lunch and there are major compromises to such a setup, mainly driving on any type of rough road is highly undesirable and you end up with a jeep that has zero offroad capability. It is also a very bad idea to put wheel spacers on a vehicle, and any mechanic that would do this is a hack and not a pro. They increase scrub radius, which increases tire wear, and also change the dynamic toe in when braking or accellerating, i.e. tires lose contact and under heavy braking you lose stability, making it unsafe. Pushing the wheels out increases the moment of intertia, i.e. leverage on the wheel bearings, which causes them to wear out much faster. THere are better ways to improve handling, without compromising the ride. I installed much higher quality (forged) upper and lower arms in front and in rear, (stock is cheap stamped steel) high quality control arm bushings and heavy duty greasable balljoints. With stock springs, stock swaybars, moog stock endlinks, and Koni FSD's, the handling is remarkable, (friends who ride in it cannot believe how smooth and sharp it handles, plus it absorbs the bumps and is great off road.

No Wk or any other grand Cherokee for that matter comes with stamped steel control arms. The uppers are tubular and the lowers are solid cast and the rears are boxed steel. It is a good idea to replace the uppers if you have it lifted. The angle of the ball joint will cause it to wear faster. Also regarding wheel spacers, I've used and abused my 1 1/2 spacers without fail. A larger offset wheel would put the same stress on the balljoints. And I don't know of a good manufacturer who makes 1" wheel spacers for the wk. are they bolt on and hub centric?
Also most of the problems you've outlined regarding scrub radius and toe in are only present in a McPherson strut which hinges on the lower control arm. Wk's use a wishbone suspension. There is no "toe in dynamic". The wheels stay vertical at all phases of suspension travel.


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