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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

Mileage: 52754 1302 miles post lift. I took a weekend to visit family. It's 390.2 miles each way. I ha the JGC sometimes north of 90mph for 7-10 minutes at a time, no issues. Cruise was set most of the time at nearly 80mph. No noise, no "Christmas Tree' going off in the dash, just nothing. Drove like stock. Super chips has really helped fuel mileage in town, back up to 15.8-16.3 mpg in town now. Attached is highway mileage that was reset from the last fuel stop which was right off the interstate. So the whole time since filling up has been in a constant state, no stopping. The front still has not settled, therefore it is time to remove the Rustys Spacers like I wanted to have the first go'round. Upon return inspection after the trip, found no problems with anything. No CV, Tie-Rod, or Rack issues.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:03 AM
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

I had the Rustys Spacers removed, nothing else. The front came down approx. 3/8". The front hub to fender measurements were approx. 22 5/8" of an inch now. Still would have liked to lower it just a hair more, but that's what I got. I also replaced the outer Tie-Rod ins with MOOG problem solvers. Nothing was wrong with the factory pieces, but since the alignment and everything had to be re-done again, I figured at over 50K on the original stuff, might as well. You can see how the Jeepn by Al upper control arms now have a factory like plane at the ball joint to knuckle attachment point. I'd say these arms are the primary reason I have gotten so much lift from adding the RC Lift, as they let everything be "free' after all the stuff added, nothing is in a bind. But I also want to stress that I got 1.5" of lift just from Bilsteins and MOOG coil isolators too. So that probably made a difference also. The rear has settled approx. 1/4" on each side. Photos show new alignment and new CV angles, as well as the upper control arm angle.
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

Thanks for the info !! I just got a 08 LTD this weekend and I am ready to do some thing similar !!
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

No problem If you have any questions, let me know
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

Great info and pics! Just looked at the specs for those Torque wheels, I assume yours are the 20mm offset ones (18")? I'm also searching for wheels to use for bigger tires & lift, but want to stick with 17", and I share your concern about not wanting wheels sticking out any further than necessary to clear the bolt. Don't want spacers either. I wish AEV still made the 25mm offset ones. Anyway just wondering if you or anyone else came across anything else in that offset range but in 17" (the 17" Torques are 6mm offset, and Mamba MR1X is 8mm).
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

Some of the new wheels on Tire Rack that are listed for the WK are 17x8 +35. Some, not all. That would bring them out roughly 1/2" from factory, but since they are 1/2" wider, it may be a wash. These are the closest offset I have seen so far offered in 17" that come close to the AEV +25mm Pintlers that we can't f'n get (!!!!!!!!) anymore. (And no, I don't wanna here about this buying used off Craigs List, E-bay, BookFace, Spacebook or whatever nonsense....) Like I said earlier, everything is JK or 1/2 ton Chevy/Ford truck offsets when it comes to aftermarket. Not to mention the hub center holes too. Side note, I have 56K and change, and the rack was making noises. Dealership didn't like the noise (a "clunking" type sound when turning back and forth, like it had "free play" a tad on the teeth on the rack itself), so they replaced it. I don't wanna say it was fully "blown", but I can definitely tell a difference now there is a new one in there. I will update later once I have more information and address some things with the suspension. Really though, to simplify my statements, I have to much lift for the drive train in the current configuration and it is starting to have some negative affects. Will update once I have done some more investigating. I have been working a lot lately, so digging around underneath the WK has been a low priority.
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

Thanks for all the advice and experience!
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

Yes, I have the 18x8.5" +20mm DC Torques. I also run the hub centric adapters with them too. Sorry I didn't address your question in the previous post.
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

Mileage: 56,952. Approx. 5,500 miles and one of the nastiest winters in Michigan's history have been put on the Hybrid Lift. I took the WK in to the dealer to try to diagnose a clunking/thumping noise from the front when driving over rough terrain. I could not visually see any issues with sway bar mounts/links and/or bushings. Nether could I see any issues with the lower control arm bushings and the front differential mount bushing. CV's still looked good and the alignment was still good. This is where the fun began....After pouring over everything, they felt the steering rack was the culprit. There was some slight play in it when turning from side to side and they felt the rack pinion gear and slide teeth were worn, causing some slack and therefore the audible noise. The dealer replaced the rack under warranty. Well, since this is the nicest vehicle I have owned up to this point, even a "bad" rack had steering that was miles ahead of everything else I have driven, so suffice to say I was surprised at just how much better a brand new steering rack was compared to my original With the steering all fixed, the noise was cut in half, but not gone. What to do...

I continued to drive for another month or so trying to figure out what might be going on. While it was in for the rack replacement, the dealer also told me the Bilsteins that were on it were leaking oil, but the front was still exceptionally stiff and they felt that since the Jeep passed the "jounce" test, there was no need for replacement. Despite all my driving and such through the winter, the front never settled any more, and the ride had started to become harsher than I remember from when the Bilsteins were new. At this point I decided to either switch up to an OME lift, or go with something else as do to some parking height issues where I live, the Superlift was still out. I'm also just not ready for the mods the Superlift requires. Long story short, I went with a Daystar kit and brand new factory struts up front. I even called Daystar and they stated that they designed this lift using the factory suspension. I also added the full factory skid plates, and a rear SRT 8 sway bar. The front clunking noise is gone, the ride is worlds better as far as comfort goes, but some additional sway and slightly less control is gone. Thats ok, as I'll take the better ride over pure handling.

So, the front has a Daystar lift, factory struts, and JBA Upper Control arms, factory sway bar, B-Woody stock length sway front sway bar end links.

The rear has the Rough Country metal spacer, F-150 Mll's, SRT 8 sway bar and bushings, B-Woody rear 2 inch longer sway bar end links.

Numbers from all the lifts I have done:

Stock:
Drivers ground to fender-32.5"
Passengers ground to fender-32.5"

Mini Lift:
Drivers ground to fender-34" (+1.5")
Passengers ground to fender-34" (+1.5")

Hybrid Lift:
Drivers ground to fender-37.5" (+5")
Passengers ground to fender-37.5" (+5")
Drivers hub to fender-23"
Passengers hub to fender-23"

Daystar Lift:
Drivers ground to fender-35.75" (+3.25" from stock, -1.75" from hybrid)
Passengers ground to fender-36" (+3.5" from stock, -1.5" from hybrid)
Drivers hub to fender-21"
Passengers hub to fender-21.25"

The rear is still drivers hub to fender 22.25" and the Passengers hub to fender 22.70" or so, just slightly less than 22.75". Really depends on just how much fuel I have (fuel tank is on the drivers side). When it is 1/4 tank or less, the rear sits nearly at 22.5" all the way around.

I am happy to maintain the factory like "rake" as when I want to put a trailer on it, the front will not shoot up towards the sky. See pics-the one on the left is the Hybrid, the one on the right is the Daystar.
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Comparison of CV angles. From left to right: Drivers side Hybrid, Drivers side Daystar, Passengers side Hybrid, Passengers side Daystar.
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

Factory skids. This is probably the nicest they will ever look
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Re: "Mini" Lift Part 2 (Hybrid RC Installed)

JBA Control Arm plane. On the left is the drivers side Hybrid, then the drivers side Daystar. It almost seems that I now could go back to the factory style arm, maybe save some weight in the process too. Alignment still came out great through, and it drives just fine. If anything, maybe this will actually help in full suspension droop as the upper ball joint will not ever be stressed in an off-roading situation, do to the struts maxing out in travel before the this particular ball joint would ever be in a bind. I know you don't ever want to use suspension parts as your "limiting stops", but it's what I am working with right now. On a side note, JBA's powder-coating is holding up great on their arm, but the hardware for the ball joint is crap. After just one winter it looks like those screws and nuts have been on there for years, not 6 months. I am definitely going to be sanding and painting those here one weekend when I have time. Thoughts?
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