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Re: How To: Install VLEDs Dual Color Turn Signals

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I would triple check your connections. Use a voltmeter to make sure the resistor wires are hooked up to the correct (-)Ground and (+)Turn wires. Black should be constant ground and then check the other two wires using the meter for voltage when the blinker is on, those are the two wires you want to splice into. If those are correct then I would try testing different 50 watt resistors of different ohms, 1.2, 3, and 6 probably.

Tell me about it being frustrating not having them work properly, it took me months to finally figure mine out, but got them working trying different resistors. Trial and error, and alot of blown fuses too.
Man do I hate wiring! Anyone want a set of barley used VLEDS and 50w 3ohm resitors lol... (but really though)

So frustrating
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Re: How To: Install VLEDs Dual Color Turn Signals

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Man do I hate wiring! Anyone want a set of barley used VLEDS and 50w 3ohm resitors lol... (but really though)

So frustrating
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Re: How To: Install VLEDs Dual Color Turn Signals

So the resistor hooks up to the black wire on each headlight? I'm a bit confused.
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Re: How To: Install VLEDs Dual Color Turn Signals

Yup a wire guy needs to do some photos of what to do, have been looking at this mod but waiting on someone to figure it out and step by step it for people like me.
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So the resistor hooks up to the black wire on each headlight? I'm a bit confused.
If I would have known there was so much confusion, I would have done a write-up when I did mine. Here's some basic instructions:

The resistors have two wires coming out of them. A resistor is a passive device, which allows you to hook it up either way. Let's emphasize that - you can not install it backwards, it doesn't matter which wire goes where, etc. However, one wire is "more important" than the other. Read on...

The more important of the two wires needs to be spliced into the turn signal wire. This is also referred to as the "high" or "major" element. How to find this wire? Well, the most fool proof way is to test for it. Take your trusty voltmeter and stick the negative probe on the negative battery terminal. Turn your jeep's ignition on and activate a turn signal. Then start probing the terminals at the bulb socket for the activated turn signal and find the one that is "blinking" +12 volts. This is the turn signal wire. One of the two wires (again, it does NOT matter which one) needs to splice into this wire. I'll tell you this once, scotchloks and t-taps are NOT recommended here (ask me how I know)!

On the WK Jeep, there should be 3 wires coming out of the bulb socket - one on each end and one in the middle. The turn signal wire is the one on the end that is NOT black. The middle one is your parking light wire, and the one on the other end (the black one) is your ground. I can't give colors because they seem to be different for different years.

Now the other wire coming out of the resistor needs to be grounded. Now, why did I say this is the "less critical" of the two wires? Because it just needs to be grounded - it doesn't matter where. Most people splice it into the wiring at the bulb socket because this is most convenient. Note, convenient does NOT mean required! You can ground it anywhere - your bumper, your fender, even the negative battery terminal if you want. It just needs to be grounded.

When done, your color changing turn signals should work properly. Here are some frequently asked questions:

Q: Does it matter where on the turn signal wire I splice?
A: NO! By definition, you can splice anywhere in the turn signal circuit. Electrically, this will have the same effect on the circuit no matter where you splice it.

Q: V-LED's recommends using 6-ohm resistors for 2-bulb systems and 3-ohm resistors for 4-bulb systems. Why does it require 3-ohm resistors to get the color-changing bulbs to work when it's only a 2-bulb system?
A: Upon deeper inspection, you'll discover that the wiring up front is actually a 4-bulb system. If you look closely, you'll notice that your side marker bulb also blinks. It is wired across the major (turn signal) and minor (parking light) wires going to your front turn signal. This is a neat little trick that makes the bulb interact as follows:
  • Parking lights OFF, turn signal OFF: The side marker bulb will be OFF
  • Parking lights OFF, turn signal ON: The side marker bulb will blink in unison with the turn signal bulb
  • Parking lights ON, turn signal OFF: The side marker bulb will be ON
  • Parking lights ON, turn signal ON: The side marker bulb will blink opposite of the turn signal bulb ("wig-wag" effect)
What this means is that the FCM is actually monitoring the current draw of the turn signal bulb AND the side marker bulb together for each side (which is a 4-bulb system). Thus, a 6-ohm resistor doesn't draw enough current, so the FCM thinks a bulb is out (which it signals to the driver by increasing the flash rate). This problem is exacerbated if you have replaced your side-marker bulbs with LED's as well (like me).

You could use multiple resistors in parallel if you wanted (two 6-ohm resistors in parallel = 3 ohms). This is because the FCM is just monitoring for a minimum current draw. As long as your current draw is above this threshold, you're good. Of course, there is a practical upper limit, which is when you'll start blowing fuses.


I hope this has been helpful to someone...
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Thank you! I PMed Frankie and now I got it! Thanks for the info!
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Hey Paul make a WJ write up!
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Now if VLED would just get the bulbs back in stock so I can order them. LOL
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Now if VLED would just get the bulbs back in stock so I can order them. LOL
Forget V-LED's, go with Autolumination FTW!

http://autolumination.com/switchback.html

Make sure you get the "60-60 Ultimate Stealth" bulbs. These are better than the V-LED's bulbs (recently switched myself) because all 60 LED's on the bulbs are color changing. V-LED's bulbs are actually a bulb with 30 white LEDs and 30 amber LED's on it. Do the math - even V-LED's new 92-LED bulb is only gonna have 46 of each color, so Autoluminations still have more. And I can confirm with first-hand experience that the Autolumination bulbs are MUCH brighter!

The other real advantage with the Autolumination bulbs is that they come in two flavors - "Amber-White" and "Amber-Off". "Amber-Off" is like what V-LED's has. They turn off the white and then blink amber when you use your turn signal. I got the "Amber-White" bulbs, which are similar to what V-LED's used to have (I think they called them "Type I" or something). These bulbs don't shut off the white LED's, which looks WAY cool. They just change from white to amber with your blinker. It makes it look like you have two bulbs in there, a white one and an amber one.


BTW, I am starting to like V-LED's less and less the more I use them. In particular, their HID kits BLOW!!! I dunno about their new "Premium" kits, but their regular kits are absolute shit! I decided to try them out on my '98 so I installed them about a month and a half ago. Here we are and I've had nothing but problems. Half the time they don't light and I have to cycle the lights on and off, especially the kit I installed as reverse HID's. I hit the breaking point today when one up and failed on me. FAILED! Swapped in a spare ballast (I have these things lying around ) and boom, problem solved. Needless to say, I have 6 new (different brand) ballasts on the way. My recommendation - STAY AWAY FROM V-LED'S BRAND HID KITS!!!
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Forget V-LED's, go with Autolumination FTW!

http://autolumination.com/switchback.html

Make sure you get the "60-60 Ultimate Stealth" bulbs. These are better than the V-LED's bulbs (recently switched myself) because all 60 LED's on the bulbs are color changing. V-LED's bulbs are actually a bulb with 30 white LEDs and 30 amber LED's on it. Do the math - even V-LED's new 92-LED bulb is only gonna have 46 of each color, so Autoluminations still have more. And I can confirm with first-hand experience that the Autolumination bulbs are MUCH brighter!

The other real advantage with the Autolumination bulbs is that they come in two flavors - "Amber-White" and "Amber-Off". "Amber-Off" is like what V-LED's has. They turn off the white and then blink amber when you use your turn signal. I got the "Amber-White" bulbs, which are similar to what V-LED's used to have (I think they called them "Type I" or something). These bulbs don't shut off the white LED's, which looks WAY cool. They just change from white to amber with your blinker. It makes it look like you have two bulbs in there, a white one and an amber one.


BTW, I am starting to like V-LED's less and less the more I use them. In particular, their HID kits BLOW!!! I dunno about their new "Premium" kits, but their regular kits are absolute shit! I decided to try them out on my '98 so I installed them about a month and a half ago. Here we are and I've had nothing but problems. Half the time they don't light and I have to cycle the lights on and off, especially the kit I installed as reverse HID's. I hit the breaking point today when one up and failed on me. FAILED! Swapped in a spare ballast (I have these things lying around ) and boom, problem solved. Needless to say, I have 6 new (different brand) ballasts on the way. My recommendation - STAY AWAY FROM V-LED'S BRAND HID KITS!!!

So far I am happy with the dual LED bulbs I have from V-Leds. But I am only happy with the bulbs themselves because they look cool and now function properly after I had to figure out for myself what resistor to use. I noticed they are very slow at answering emails back, if ever. I wrote them about my experience with figuring out i needed a 1.2 ohm resistor to make the bulbs work, so they finally wrote back to me where i told them this site would like them as a vendor on here, only to get an email back saying the owner was very busy basically blowing me off. If there is a different manufacturer out there I would go with them instead because of the service I got from V-leds, or lack of service you could say.
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Wow, from that link above I would buy those 48 SMT switchbacks in a second, if i already didnt have working duals. Thats a great deal and the AW's look cool.
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Wow, from that link above I would buy those 48 SMT switchbacks in a second, if i already didnt have working duals. Thats a great deal and the AW's look cool.
They make a 60-LED version too Timmy (same as V-LED's). I think you just needed to scroll down a little further.

I, too, was satisfied with my V-LED switchback bulbs. I seemed to have a lot less trouble than most installing mine. I went with 6-ohm resistors at first, which obviously didn't work. I switched to 3-ohm and BOOM! Worked. Bear in mind, this was before all sorts of people were doing it so not a lot of people knew how to. At that time, people didn't even know that you needed 3-ohm resistors.

However, the one thing I didn't like about the V-LED's bulbs was that the white shut off. Then, after you turned your turn signal off, it took a few seconds for the white ones to come back on. I stalled on buying the AL bulbs because I had already spent money on the V-LED's. But now, I can honestly say that I am glad I did!
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