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Re: 10,000km Service CRD

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If you feel more comfortable seeing MS 11106 referenced.......snip......

Personally, I'll stick to the Shell Ultra Extra. Just print out the Shell 2012 product guide, stick it in a file at home and that would be sufficient backup.
That's my point Swampy - check my link from my post - the MS11106 has disappeared from the Shell Aus data sheets. I want to know why - i was happy with the Shell and used it at the 10k service.

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC...1203151136.pdf
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Re: 10,000km Service CRD

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If you feel more comfortable seeing MS 11106 referenced then maybe try and source:

"Mobil 1™ ESP Formula 5W-30"

Applications
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 is recommended for all types of modern automobile engines, especially the high-performance gasoline and diesel engines found in the latest passenger cars, SUVs and light vans.
  • Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 is especially suitable for extreme conditions, where conventional oil often may not perform
  • It is not recommended for 2-Cycle or aviation engines, unless specifically approved by the manufacturer.

Specifications and Approvals

Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
BMW
Longlife 04
MB-Approval
229.31/229.51
Volkswagen (Gasoline / Diesel)
504 00 / 507 00
Porsche
C30
Chrysler
MS-11106
Peugeot/Citroën Automobiles
B71 2290



Personally, I'll stick to the Shell Ultra Extra. Just print out the Shell 2012 product guide, stick it in a file at home and that would be sufficient backup.
That's interesting because apparently Mobil is currently Mopar's oil supplier. That's not to say that Mopar oil is necessarily Mobil 1, just that Mobil would be very familiar with Chrysler specs. I understand that Pennzoil also quotes MS-11106.
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I understand that Pennzoil also quotes MS-11106.
And for those that don't know, pennzoil is Shell.
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Re: 10,000km Service CRD

Now sure if to take my oil back now? Although handy to have a contingent amount for emergencies.
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Re: 10,000km Service CRD

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The service centre hasn't come back to me with the oil details except to say it is Caltex Havoline which I knew anyway by the sticker on the window. The service centre is Scderia Veloce Motors which is now part of the Suttons Motors Group so one would hope they are doing the right thing. The only complying oil Caltex has is Havoline Fully Synthetic C3 5W-30. This is an ACEA C3 oil complying with Mercedes Benz MB 229.31. I've checked with Caltex and they have not tested it against Chrysler Material Standard MS-11106. Now this is where things gets tricky. American and Australian documentation differ slightly on spec requirements as follows:
American documentation:
It must meet ACEA C3 and must meet either Chrysler MS-11106 or MB 229.51
Australian documentation:
It must meet ACEA C3 and Chrysler MS-11106 and must meet either MB 229.31 or MB 229.51
So the Havoline meets the Australian requirements (except for MS-11106) but not the American requirements. From what I can determine, the only difference between MB 229.31 and MB 229.51 is that the former is good for about 12,000km whereas the latter is one of the new "long life" oils and is good for about 20,000km. However MB presupposes the use of fleece type oil filters with the long life oil rather than the traditional paper type. This may partly explain why the Australian oil change schedule is 10,000km as against the American schedule of 20,000km. I expect that the long life oils and fleece filters are considerably more expensive. Presumably Fiat Chrysler Aust. determined that we were not yet ready for the fancy stuff.

Havoline Fully Synthetic C3 5W-30 is also the oil that Caltex recommends on their site for the WK 3L CRD. Incidentally, Caltex, Castrol, Western Gulf, Mobil, Nulon, Penrite and Valvoline all provide specific recommendations for the WK 3L CRD. The funny thing is that they all use the same database. My guess is that they are all the same oil.
Scderia Veloce Motors (Artarmon) were good enough to come back to me to confirm that they do indeed use Havoline Fully Synthetic C3 5W-30. They also supplied a spec sheet. With that, I would be happy to recommend them.
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Call from Customer Care today rating my service experience. How do you answer "service was OK except very expensive, they didn't stamp my book, and the repair to the aircon was unsuccessful, costing me two days off the road "
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Now sure if to take my oil back now? Although handy to have a contingent amount for emergencies.
For the latest on the Shell Helix Ultra Extra 5W-30 see my latest post today on page 2
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Re: 10,000km Service CRD

Chrysler has updated their service manuals regarding the description for 3.0L oil:

"MOBIL 1® SAE 5W-30 Low Ash Fully Synthetic oil, meeting the requirements of ACEA C3."

Mopar p/n 05166241AA (1 quart)


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Thanks Milous, that's certainly narrowed down the choice of oil.......unless "or equivalent" is missing from the update.
This oil was the only one meeting the earlier criteria that actually mentioned the Chrysler spec.

I don't feel positive either that Australian dealers will stock and use only this nominated oil at service time.
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Chrysler has updated their service manuals regarding the description for 3.0L oil:

"MOBIL 1® SAE 5W-30 Low Ash Fully Synthetic oil, meeting the requirements of ACEA C3."

Mopar p/n 05166241AA (1 quart)


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And that is Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W30 here in Australia.
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Re: 10,000km Service CRD

One slight glitch. The Aussie Mobil site add for Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 doesn't mention MS-11106. I checked with Mobil and it seems they haven't updated their site.
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Data sheet direct from the Mobil Australia Website that sepcifies MS-11106 below.

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