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Hi Allypally, here is another take on how supply and demand work. Back in the 80's I decided to buy a brand new Range Rover, stock at the dealerships was scarce, most dealers in Sth East Qld had one, two or none on the floor. The Range Rover during that time was locally assembled from kits from England, so why the shortage of stock?
Well this shortage effectively kept the price up as there was little to no discounting from the dealers, so I ended up paying close to full RRP. It was a take it or leave it attitude.

A few years later I met through a friend of mine the national manager for Land Rover Aust ( Range Rover). He freely admitted to me that they had a policy in place to restrict Range Rover product to the dealerships, this kept the price up as demand always exceeded the supply. Good profits were made as the customer had to pay full price.
Makes me wonder today if something a little similar to this is in play? Makes you think, doesn't it?

PS: As a matter of historical interest, the Rover cost me $28,000 back then. It was a four door 3 litre V8 and never let me down in my 10 years of ownership. It was an amazing off road vehicle.

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Yes i also belive Jeep Aust has the same policy in place it is very obvious
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My question is why should people get tax benefit just because their work can package their car as a salary sacrifice when they don't even use their car for work?

All other benefits such as health insurance, gym membership and share / stock options all incur FBT so why not cars?

If one genuinely uses their car for work then there is no tax issue to worry about.


Take that thinking across ALL current give aways by Labour
The list is so dam long
Why should Why have Labour given Millions to Ford and Holden then
The answer is simple and obvious
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You know, if cars were cheaper like they are in the USA and we didn't have to pay all those extra taxes, stamp duty etc, we could afford to replace our vehicles every 3 yrs or so. Just imagine the difference that would make to the car industry as a whole. Side benefit would be less 'bombs' on the road and less fuel burned up ( more efficient engines).
I wonder if any one in the Govt has ever thought of that?
Don't be silly
That would take some brains
And they only look at the rip off tax dollar now they do not think past their navels.
They are so frighten that some one apart from them and the public service would make a dollar.

I remember when Hawke came to power stating that the rip off on fuel and parts prices was his priority
He did a good talk set up up an enquiry but it was soon shelved when the facts came out that the rip off was mostly in government taxes levies and stamp duty charges
And nothing ever came from that one either
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

Thanks Sparky. I'm in Melbourne ( just down the road from Webber actually, there are going to be 2 white Overlands in the Macedon Ranges!). I have decided that wheels and rims are not my worry, hubby can deal with all of that! We have put our tyre guy ( who suggested 17" rims, can that be done?) in direct contact with Adam at Caroline Springs. We'll see what they come up with.
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Don't be silly
That would take some brains
And they only look at the rip off tax dollar now they do not think past their navels.
They are so frighten that some one apart from them and the public service would make a dollar.

I remember when Hawke came to power stating that the rip off on fuel and parts prices was his priority
He did a good talk set up up an enquiry but it was soon shelved when the facts came out that the rip off was mostly in government taxes levies and stamp duty charges
And nothing ever came from that one en either
Spot on... I had forgotten all about that enquiry. It's a shame that we don't have politicians today who actually care about the people they are supposed to represent.
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Hmmm.. Not sure if that's the full reason as their imports like Porsche, BMW's are half the price too
No, not full reason, far from it, but a major factor in all price differences between us and other countries.
Porsche is actually a perfect example. Porsche Australia has been unusually vocal about the price difference.
They have been very open saying that they should be far cheaper, even more so than the big price drops they did back in April ($36K drop for one model).
They were very open in saying that vehicles here are priced against the competition and not what they could or should be.
So as long as they were inline with where they wanted to be against their competition then they will priced as high as they can.
They have been fighting with Germany for ages to get their pricing down as they know they can do so much more volume without hurting the prestige of the badge.
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My question is why should people get tax benefit just because their work can package their car as a salary sacrifice when they don't even use their car for work?

All other benefits such as health insurance, gym membership and share / stock options all incur FBT so why not cars?

If one genuinely uses their car for work then there is no tax issue to worry about.
Now that I am retired and don't have access to salary sacrificing, I tend to agree with you
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If we are going to debate the benefits of FBT on car sales, we may as well look at taxing pensions and company losses. It is a never ending argument.
At Kerry Packer once said, "if anyone in this country doesn’t minimise their tax they want their heads read. Because as a government, I can tell you you’re not spending it so well that we should be donating extra".
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Now that I am retired and don't have access to salary sacrificing, I tend to agree with you
I think if we want to keep on discussing the FBT and its politics, an "FBT" thread should be started.
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Well, why not? If you consider the overall benefit to the car, & finance industry, and not to mention the taxes collected, any gain in FBT revenue will be lost as people find this will no longer find this a worthwhile option. The end result will be job losses in the industries who rely on fleet sales. Unemployment will rise, welfare costs will rise, and so on.

Which is the lesser of 2 evils????
It is because it only benefits a selected group of the population. The money our government gained in FBT 'could' be used to reduce the tax for new vehicles so everyone could benefit however it is not the case for the current situation.

I also think the automotive industry as a whole is over reacting. People can still finance their vehicle and people will still be buying new cars, maybe people will be buying a somewhat less expensive new vehicle compared to the past. Eg a Laredo instead of an Overland, a x5 30d instead of a x5 40d, a Focus instead of a Falcon.

The tax saving through salary packaging only represents a % of the overall cost of ownership of a vehicle, we all need to learn to drive cars that we can afford.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

You have to look at the bigger picture, this Government introduced a "Carbon Tax" and put a "price on carbon" which theoretically would have seen big polluters reduce output and the money spent on alternative energies. Instead though they spent alot of money telling the public that the big polluters would put their costs up (hence not actually reducing output but passing the cost onto the consumer) and offered subsidies to no/low income earners. Basicallly at the end of the day mid/high income earners paid more money and no/low income earners ended up with more in their pockets. Can anybody spell "wealth redistribution"?

Now to help win an election Rudd wants to drop the price of carbon which will result in a loss of revenue but wants the change to remain "budget neutral" so they have to slash spending from elsewhere. Where better then those pesky middle/high income earners who go to work everyday and pay lots of taxes, how dare they drive around in a nice new cars!

Also theoretically the cost of living should reduce with the floating price of carbon however the no/low income earners still receive the same benefits meaning more money in their pockets.

Gotta love a Government who takes from those that work to give to those that won't.
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