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Old 07-20-2013, 04:56 PM
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Hmm....Extension mirrors are usually attached to the car mirrors aren't they? I wonder how they will work when we lock the car and the mirrors fold in?
No not all, there a a few mirrors that mount beside the vehicles side mirror, they also have a quick release strap so that they can be quickly removed and stored away.
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No not all, there a a few mirrors that mount beside the vehicles side mirror, they also have a quick release strap so that they can be quickly removed and stored away.
Thanks Gforce, another thing for me to look into!
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Old 07-20-2013, 05:08 PM
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Thanks Gforce, another thing for me to look into!
Buster, it might be easier to just turn the feature off, no?

Besides, what could possibly look more stupid, than a fourby towing a huge van behind it parked at the side of the road, with its mirrors folded in?
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Old 07-20-2013, 07:57 PM
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No, sorry Snuke I don't agree. I think there is too much marketing hype regarding some of these oils. As you would have read previously it is an undisputed fact that Diesel engines are very hard on lubricating oil, it's the blow by contaminates that cause the problem with oil, synthetic or not
It was more petrol engines I was referring to, and not so much marketing hype as mechanic feedback.
When HSV and Mobil did the drive around Australia test (marketing hype) to show the car was more than happy to do 37,000km without changing the oil using Mobil 1. They then set the land speed record for a ute with the same oil.
I was talking to a few mechanics and they all said it would not be a problem hitting 50,000km for normal driving with Mobil 1 or the Shell equivalent, as long as your oil levels are fine.

As for diesel, I have no idea except what has been written in these forums and the point you were referring to about ash causing an issue.
With our CRD, i will be replacing it with the stuff that gets recommended in the oil thread.
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The only thing you need to look out for its the maintenance free items. Now days about of manufacturers are installing "life time oil" in gearboxes. Don't learn the hard way, as I did, change your oil. I have a VW that ceased a gear box bearing, and the mechanic tells me he knows for a fact that the oil in the box when changed every 80k gives you many worry free kms. VW don't require a gearbox oil change ever, just a check and top up. That 1 bearing cost 6.5k to fix, 11k if VW did it. Much cheaper to change oil.
It wasn't the oil that caused the bearing to go, more likely the bearing was faulty or fitted badly, having said that if the oil was changed then perhaps & a big perhaps the mechanic may have noticed contaminants in the oil & alerted you to the issue before it became a disaster.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:48 PM
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No, sorry Snuke I don't agree. I think there is too much marketing hype regarding some of these oils. As you would have read previously it is an undisputed fact that Diesel engines are very hard on lubricating oil, it's the blow by contaminates that cause the problem with oil, synthetic or not, but having said that if a manufacture is happy with 10000km oil changes then so be it.

But for my money I will be changing mine at 5000 km using standard recommended oil like Castrol Magnetic and possibly a synthetic oil for the transmission, which I currently run in my Nissan. So far this combination has worked well for me with over 300,000 km now on the clock.
At the end of the day I guess it is a personal choice, a lot does depend though on how long you are going to keep your GC, synthetics are ridiculously expensive.
Gforce, I assume that you have the CRD.

The special oil that is specified for the CRD is more about the emission systems, and in particular the diesel particulate filter DPF. I do not believe that Magnatec make such a complying oil (happy to be proven wrong). Even with new oil that is of the wrong type every 5,000 kms I suspect that the DPF will have to frequently burn off a lot more often than what it normally would. I would also suspect that in the end your DPF will likely clog up and require earlier replacement. Plus using non complying oil will void your warranty for the engine and DPF system.

The special oil that is required to be used is very expensive and should be changed at least every 10,000kms here in Australia (yet in the UK they specify 20,000 Kms).

If you were only keeping your vehicle for 2 years, then it wouldn't really matter what oil you put in it. However I can only assume that you want to keep the vehicle a lot longer than that, hence the 5,000k oil changes. The risk is in that using a non complying oil is that your DPF will be up for early replacement and I would want to on the bill receiving end for that.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:03 PM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

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The only thing you need to look out for its the maintenance free items. Now days about of manufacturers are installing "life time oil" in gearboxes. Don't learn the hard way, as I did, change your oil. I have a VW that ceased a gear box bearing, and the mechanic tells me he knows for a fact that the oil in the box when changed every 80k gives you many worry free kms. VW don't require a gearbox oil change ever, just a check and top up. That 1 bearing cost 6.5k to fix, 11k if VW did it. Much cheaper to change oil.

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It wasn't the oil that caused the bearing to go, more likely the bearing was faulty or fitted badly, having said that if the oil was changed then perhaps & a big perhaps the mechanic may have noticed contaminants in the oil & alerted you to the issue before it became a disaster.
I would have to agree with iboughtajeep on this one.

When they say that a transmission is "sealed for Life", this essentially means the warranty period, ie 100,000kms. It is inevitable that over time the auto trans filter will become clogged and the oil will start to break down and the magnets that draw away metal particles will be at capacity. Then essentially what you are left with long term is an oil that has metal particles floating around that will inevitably cause wear.

If you do some research, even ZF who make the transmissions say that the oil should be changed circa 100,000k (from memory, maybe even less).

However most people don't keep their vehicles from new past 100,000 kms, maybe even up to 150,000 ams and nothing will likely go wrong during that time. Then it becomes the next owner issue.

Also, if using the vehicle to frequently tow caravans and the like, servicing the auto trans becomes more important.
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Buster, it might be easier to just turn the feature off, no?

Besides, what could possibly look more stupid, than a fourby towing a huge van behind it parked at the side of the road, with its mirrors folded in?
Ha!ha! Turn the mirror feature off? There's a challenge for me!
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:04 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

Has anyone who has taken delivery of their 2014 GC noticed any misalignment of the rear tailgate???? This has been discussed on this thread...I see what people mean by a misaligned hatch.....
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Old 07-21-2013, 01:45 AM
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It was more petrol engines I was referring to, and not so much marketing hype as mechanic feedback.
When HSV and Mobil did the drive around Australia test (marketing hype) to show the car was more than happy to do 37,000km without changing the oil using Mobil 1. They then set the land speed record for a ute with the same oil.
I was talking to a few mechanics and they all said it would not be a problem hitting 50,000km for normal driving with Mobil 1 or the Shell equivalent, as long as your oil levels are fine.

As for diesel, I have no idea except what has been written in these forums and the point you were referring to about ash causing an issue.
With our CRD, i will be replacing it with the stuff that gets recommended in the oil thread.
Yep.. Do agree, petrol engines are not as harsh on the oil as diesels. Even when I drain my oil at 5000km, the oil is black enough to paint with. If I owned a petrol model then I would seriously consider the synthetics too.
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Old 07-21-2013, 01:48 AM
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Got my GC Yesterday, drivern 500k, could not be happier.

Dealer made one error, put on a 6 pin trailer socket instead of the 12 pin on the contract - they promised they will fix at the 1000k.

Issue - on my Prado I used extension mirrors that fit on the door and clip into the window slot - no good as scratched the glass and never a good solution.

Has anyone found a "reasonable" solution on a GC Jeep for extension mirrors that allow some rear vision with a caravan on, do not fall off and do not damage the door/windows areas??
If you go to the caravan forum at http://www.caravanersforum.com/viewt...erokee#p569163 you will find a lot of discussion the Grand Cherokee also this thread http://www.caravanersforum.com/viewt...irrors#p540269 You will find a discussion on mirrors. I ended up looking at 2, the Brungaard and an English one called Milenco Aero, I ended up buying the Milenco as they were cheaper, they are easy to put on and take off. I have used them once so far on a trip to the Blue Mountains and they worked well. I fixed them to the bottom of the mirror because I felt there was less chance of scratching the duco. In the YouTube video for Milenco they attach them to the top. When attached to the top the mirrors can fold in. Attached to the bottom you can't fold in the mirrors.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:24 AM
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Well one more sleep and fly down to Perth to finally pick the car up. Probably wont get much sleep tonight.
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