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I picked up the magazine today, not much competition in the comparison, the Colorado7 and the ute version, the Isuzu version and the range rover/sport.

The RRS is a good performer, but value for money gives it to the jeep. The main issue that came up for the jeep was the lack of suspension travel. They also highlight the air intake position being not so good for water crossings.

I'd like to see a more in depth comparison for the Jeep off road compared to some real competition, like the LD4, and maybe the Prado and a touareg....?

I hear a number of people say the jeep doesn't keep up with the LD4 or prado off road, it would be interesting to see a test on this.
Yes i too would like to see that as well
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Yeah I'm not sure an off-road minded Grand Cherokee owner would. From my recent trips I've accepted the Jeep is going to be limited compared to equally fitted out LR or Prado when push comes to shove... and the scope for improvement is way less. I read the term "back road tourer" and I think that's a fairer niche for it.

It's great for putting away the kays, but as the tracks get worse it turns into a button pushing, wheel scrabbling, WTF was that noise, "we should go back" kind of experience.

I know this will stir up a shit fight, but it's honest feedback from someone who's never been afraid to say that their choice isn't the one for everyone... and maybe even themselves. I'd be interested to hear from Wade over here. I've been hanging out to hear more from his Warren / Yeagarup trip.

That said, if towing and style are in your brief, it's hard to look at the current Prado unless true off-road is essential, or 7 seats.

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Yeah I'm not sure an off-road minded Grand Cherokee owner would. From my recent trips I've accepted the Jeep is going to be limited compared to equally fitted out LR or Prado when push comes to shove... and the scope for improvement is way less. I read the term "back road tourer" and I think that's a fairer niche for it.

It's great for putting away the kays, but as the tracks get worse it turns into a button pushing, wheel scrabbling, WTF was that noise, "we should go back" kind of experience.

I know this will stir up a shit fight, but it's honest feedback from someone who's never been afraid to say that their choice isn't the one for everyone... and maybe even themselves. I'd be interested to hear from Wade over here. I've been hanging out to hear more from his Warren / Yeagarup trip.

That said, if towing and style are in your brief, it's hard to look at the current Prado unless true off-road is essential, or 7 seats.

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Are you sure? Most of the reviews I have read from professional car tester/writers place the Jeep Grand Cherokee way ahead of the Prado. The Prado is described as old technology, old body and not good value when you build in all the extra's that come standard with the JGC. I can't be the only one with that opinion because the official stats that SNUKE has been posting shows that people are voting with their wallet and now buying JeepGC in superior numbers than the Prado
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Today was a leap of faith. After watching a few videos last night of people getting bogged on Bribie Island, today I headed off up the beach for the run up towards the old light tower. The run on the beach was not eventful with both hard and soft sand an easy ride. I dropped tyre pressures to 20 psi and enjoyed the ride up the beach. Very comfortable and now I have no issues taking on Fraser Island. The inland route back was another story. In SEQLD we've had no rain to speak of for months and the sand was deep, soft and hot. I decided it was time for low range and moderated the height from ORII & ORIII. I have to say I now have heaps of confidence taking my Jeep off-road, especially on sand. Clearance is great and we didn't hit underneath at all. There was evidence of a few bogged vehicles with recovery efforts recently which makes it interesting when the track is all chopped up. My concern was the extra front support with the Overland, not anymore. We never hit once. For my first 4WD, this is a great vehicle and after a good day out, the managing director wants to go back for another dose of beach driving tomorrow. I think I need to retire early and just head into the sunset. Next weekend, the camper comes out again. Can't stop driving this great vehicle.
Did Bribie today in the DCR Overland.... first time 4wd'ing for both me and the car! Had an absolute blast, and was very impressed with the JGC. Only got stuck once (friend driving, and didnt get a run-up for the beach exit).

The suspension thunking as it topped out on the inland track was a little crazy, just had to keep telling myself its normal for this car.

The ACC didn't function when I went to use it on the trip home, EVIC showed a message telling me to wipe the sand off it... oops!
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Are you sure? Most of the reviews I have read from professional car tester/writers place the Jeep Grand Cherokee way ahead of the Prado. The Prado is described as old technology, old body and not good value when you build in all the extra's that come standard with the JGC. I can't be the only one with that opinion because the official stats that SNUKE has been posting shows that people are voting with their wallet and now buying JeepGC in superior numbers than the Prado
Oh I thought we were talking about off road specifically Webber. How journos and buyers weight various aspects of a car wasn't the point.

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The Prado is described as old technology, old body and not good value when you build in all the extra's that come standard with the JGC. I can't be the only one with that opinion because the official stats that SNUKE has been posting shows that people are voting with their wallet and now buying JeepGC in superior numbers than the Prado
There are a few reasons for the sales results, one for sure is that re Prado is old, even though they just released a "new" one, it is the same rehashed, just like a new Pajero is really a 1999 model with a few tweaks here and there.

Another reason for the sales drop, is that like there was a drop when GC swapped MY13 to MY14, there is a shortage of cars.
Lets see how it pans out over the next few months as they get some stock in. The "new" Prado is just amazingly ugly, it's no Stavic, but it's not far off.

The GC is unquestionably a better on road car for all purposes unless you need 7 seats, but off road, I would still imagine there is enough to the school in a Prado that ultimately makes it a better proposition for the extra serious off road work.
I don't, or have any desire to do off roading so I have next to no real info on this so I could be completely wrong.
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:13 AM
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Yeah I'm not sure an off-road minded Grand Cherokee owner would. From my recent trips I've accepted the Jeep is going to be limited compared to equally fitted out LR or Prado when push comes to shove... and the scope for improvement is way less. I read the term "back road tourer" and I think that's a fairer niche for it.

It's great for putting away the kays, but as the tracks get worse it turns into a button pushing, wheel scrabbling, WTF was that noise, "we should go back" kind of experience.

I know this will stir up a shit fight, but it's honest feedback from someone who's never been afraid to say that their choice isn't the one for everyone... and maybe even themselves. I'd be interested to hear from Wade over here. I've been hanging out to hear more from his Warren / Yeagarup trip.

That said, if towing and style are in your brief, it's hard to look at the current Prado unless true off-road is essential, or 7 seats.

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Hey Steve,

I completely agree with you. While the JGC has conquered some obstacles where I expected it to fail, it is by no means in the same league as a prado with a lift + lockers. I certainly won’t be taking the JGC on some of the rougher trails I used to take the prado on and even on tamer tracks I find I have to takes things a bit slower in the JGC to avoid that knock from the front end, it makes me cringe every time I hear it and usually has me looking out the back window to see if I’ve left anything behind (really missing my icon shockies).

The trip to Yeagarup was a learning experience for me, I learnt a lot about the JGC, some good some bad/annoying. Firstly never eva drive on the beach with the sunroof open ha ha, I ended up with so much sand in the rails it jammed and I had to drive 4hrs home with it open lol, secondly don’t use the air dam as a sand plow, the front camera won’t like it. I broke all the clips that hold it in place which cost $60 to replace.
As for the driving aspect, on the way in I had to baby it in one or two sections to avoid the mentioned knock from the front end but otherwise the JGC went great, I filmed the whole drive in but it was close to sunset so it doesn’t make for good viewing.
It wasn’t till the next day that I found myself wishing for a permanently lifted rig, with lockers, manual gearbox and traditional transfer case, although I will admit this was my fault for not reading the manual and for buying a car that has too much tech. In short I got bogged twice in a tricky section in the sand dunes between a camping spot near the river mouth and the beach, I thought that because I had the transmission selected to sand mode the previous day it would still be in sand mode the next day, also the QL returned to normal ride height, two little things that resulted in a lot of digging.
With the JGC back in sand mode it powered up the dunes on the way out with ease, (unlike some poor fellas jeep wrangler) but you’d expect this with all that torque + a BS chip. I did find the accelerator peddle a bit touchy in the sand though, a slight press would equal rooster.

By the way Steve I should be getting my rear storage sorted out around the end of this month, ACS fabrications will be doing it. I’ll bring it around so you can have a look when it’s done.
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Quick question . Will 2011 jeep grand Cherokee overland rims fit a 2014 Laredo and vice versa? I'm trading rims with a friend , wanted to know if it's even compatible. Forgive my ignorance.
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Should be no issue, we have never had less than 18" rims specced, so a swap should be good.
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Yeah I'm not sure an off-road minded Grand Cherokee owner would......
It's great for putting away the kays, but as the tracks get worse it turns into a button pushing, wheel scrabbling, WTF was that noise, "we should go back" kind of experience.
Yep, I hear this a lot, the suspension topping out is disconcerting, but if you nurse it and ignore the odd crunch, does it get you as far as the LD4 does?

That 4x4 mag has a comparison between the disco and the new prado, and talks about the better suspension travel in the prado, and the LD4 more prone to lifting a wheel and topping out, but in the end they give them even marks for off road ability.
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December was another good month for the JGC sales with 1431 vehicles sold. Prado 1065 vehicles sold.

December 2012 was JGC 794, Prado 1313.

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