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Out of curiosity, has anyone used the CD player yet?
Yes, reguarly, and the sound is fine but wait for it......the CD's for example are:-

Les Mis
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Uuggg many will say....but good to sing along too.
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Smooth 95 FM is fine.

Also with regards to Webber's and Barboot's posts - Elvis sounds really good in the cabin as does Van Morrison and the Eagles.

And Webber, nothing wrong with speakers on the television. We have a Sony 65" 4K Ultra HD 3D screen and lo and behold, the speakers are on the side of the telly. Fabulous thing (or maybe we both suffer from 'cloth ears') [/QUOTE]

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I've noticed the last song this song etc being displayed in my MY12 too - just started to do it last week. Very odd. And never used the CD / DVD other than the day I picked it up and was playing. All my music is one my iPhone.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

I have no issue with my age Webber and I'm probably only 10 years or so behind you.

Child (age 10) pairs his iPad to the Jeep from the back seat with no issues and we have Bruno coming through the sound system. It's sounds great.

He has been 'trained' from an early age to appreciate the 'classics' although we did have a problem early on in his years when he kept saying 'Play the Turkeys Mumma' - He meant 'The Eagles' but he was only about 5 then.

You obviously haven't trained your boys Webber. You've got to start early.

I use the CD player perhaps 50% of the time. The other 50% is spent between the SD card and the radio. The reason I use the CD player so often is because I haven't found the time, nor the inclination to put the CDs onto the SD card.

The VR works well going between each media source coupled with perfectly executed commands like play Genre, Artist etc.

There is one issue with the CD player whereby the VR recognises and executes 'play number 5' (for example) rather than 'play track 5' even though Jeep Girl confirms with 'Playing Track 5'. If you give the command 'play track 5' she spits the dummy. She wants the word 'number' rather than 'track'. A minor VR CD issue.

GMWK2 - I think it is perhaps an enhancement coming from the Radio station. It is obviously recent because I've only noticed it in the last two weeks or so.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

Hi all,
Sad to say I have encountered a serious motor problem in my 14 Limited diesel (12,000 km) First symptom was noisy injectors as the motor warmed up. It sounded like a 20 year old diesel, VERY clattery. However, once warm, everything normal (About 10km)
I reported same to dealer.
2 weeks ago, we were heading to the coast, for a seachange, with our 20 foot, (about 2.5 ton ) van on, and I noticed the temperatures of both motor oil and motor water coming up. Ambient 26 degrees. I pulled up at Moonbi, (just before the Moonbi Range) to check the van brakes we not dragging or any other sign of a problem. Everything seemed just fine.
As I had run this range before with this car and van, I decided to push on, keep the revs up a bit and taking it easy.
About 30 meters from the top, we entered limp mode, I snuck to the top and pulled over.We came out of limp mode as I pulled over. Radiator had boiled but was now coming down in temp. However , oil temp was still going up !!! As it was a nice downhill run for a few km, I decided to push on. Water temp came right down, but oil temp continued to rise !!
We pulled into Bendemeer, oil temp was now show 148 degrees, stopped motor to let is cool right down (2 hours), then slowly topped up the watrer, motor on idle. The top plastic water tank was like a small volcano, and did not settle down, seemed like a blown head gasket. NO noises from motor.
Vehicle tilt trayed to Tamworth dealer, caravan recovered next day.
Dealer removed heads, no problem here !!! Suggestion made it might be the EGR (exhaust gas recirculator). Specialist testing revealed it was indeed the problem, pressure testing revealed a good leak.
Vehicle still at dealers whilst Jeep Aust make up their minds what to do. I have a loan Camry (Wahoo).
I will keep you posted as this story progresses.
PS Spent a lot of time on the internet boning up on EGR...these little suckers can be really troublesome, especially in some makes. I have been on the Jeep forums for the past 2 years (this is my second WK2), I have never read of a problem similar to this.
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Sorry to hear about the EGR problems Barry, do you have any feedback on the team at Tamworth, woodleys I assume?

After an unsatisfactory service on Monday at frizelles tweed who I purchased from, which I will elaborate on in the servicing thread when I get a chance, I'm considering a move to woodleys as it is considerably closer to me.

I would really appreciate your views on how they have handled such a serious and complex problem like your vehicle. I hope it all is rectified quickly and easily for you.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

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I have no issue with my age Webber and I'm probably only 10 years or so behind you.

Child (age 10) pairs his iPad to the Jeep from the back seat with no issues and we have Bruno coming through the sound system. It's sounds great.

He has been 'trained' from an early age to appreciate the 'classics' although we did have a problem early on in his years when he kept saying 'Play the Turkeys Mumma' - He meant 'The Eagles' but he was only about 5 then.

You obviously haven't trained your boys Webber. You've got to start early.

I use the CD player perhaps 50% of the time. The other 50% is spent between the SD card and the radio. The reason I use the CD player so often is because I haven't found the time, nor the inclination to put the CDs onto the SD card.

The VR works well going between each media source coupled with perfectly executed commands like play Genre, Artist etc.

There is one issue with the CD player whereby the VR recognises and executes 'play number 5' (for example) rather than 'play track 5' even though Jeep Girl confirms with 'Playing Track 5'. If you give the command 'play track 5' she spits the dummy. She wants the word 'number' rather than 'track'. A minor VR CD issue.

GMWK2 - I think it is perhaps an enhancement coming from the Radio station. It is obviously recent because I've only noticed it in the last two weeks or so.

Daughters are into our music but they are 37 and 40 but yes, your are right, I failed with my son. That's the one test I have not done, ie. using VR to change between Radio, CD and Music/media via my iphone. Thanks, I will give that a try next.

Geez, I hope my luck holds out. Look at poor Barry Smith's problems. Unbelievable. I hope one day I can discard the old tree stump on the back seat.
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:15 AM
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Hi all, Sad to say I have encountered a serious motor problem in my 14 Limited diesel (12,000 km) First symptom was noisy injectors as the motor warmed up. It sounded like a 20 year old diesel, VERY clattery. However, once warm, everything normal (About 10km) I reported same to dealer. 2 weeks ago, we were heading to the coast, for a seachange, with our 20 foot, (about 2.5 ton ) van on, and I noticed the temperatures of both motor oil and motor water coming up. Ambient 26 degrees. I pulled up at Moonbi, (just before the Moonbi Range) to check the van brakes we not dragging or any other sign of a problem. Everything seemed just fine. As I had run this range before with this car and van, I decided to push on, keep the revs up a bit and taking it easy. About 30 meters from the top, we entered limp mode, I snuck to the top and pulled over.We came out of limp mode as I pulled over. Radiator had boiled but was now coming down in temp. However , oil temp was still going up !!! As it was a nice downhill run for a few km, I decided to push on. Water temp came right down, but oil temp continued to rise !! We pulled into Bendemeer, oil temp was now show 148 degrees, stopped motor to let is cool right down (2 hours), then slowly topped up the watrer, motor on idle. The top plastic water tank was like a small volcano, and did not settle down, seemed like a blown head gasket. NO noises from motor. Vehicle tilt trayed to Tamworth dealer, caravan recovered next day. Dealer removed heads, no problem here !!! Suggestion made it might be the EGR (exhaust gas recirculator). Specialist testing revealed it was indeed the problem, pressure testing revealed a good leak. Vehicle still at dealers whilst Jeep Aust make up their minds what to do. I have a loan Camry (Wahoo). I will keep you posted as this story progresses. PS Spent a lot of time on the internet boning up on EGR...these little suckers can be really troublesome, especially in some makes. I have been on the Jeep forums for the past 2 years (this is my second WK2), I have never read of a problem similar to this. Barry
These engines have become incredibly complex, this is mainly due to having to conform to the Californian emission standards. Have a read on the Web about the ERG used in diesels and you will find a scary link to the DPF that others here are having problems with.
It's nice to have a modern new car... But it comes at a price and I don't mean $$.
I sincerely hope your problems are fixed easily and soon.
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Sorry to confuse you. I meant to say it appears your Overland sound system is no better than what is in the Laredo/Limited.
Overland and Limited have the same crappy Alpine 9 speaker system. Sounds like puss.
My advice to anyone testing speakers is to ignore what any reviews say, or what anyone else claims to be great and trust your ears only, comparing several models and brands side by side.
So even though I say ignore what I say and only your ears count, the system sounds like utter crap, and no one with a half decent sound system with a good sub that is calibrated and positioned correctly would say any different.

The sub is boomy loose overbearing nasty nasty nasty. The thing is these things can sometimes be fixed. The sub I have at home was shaking the walls to death and overbearing as all hell even when calibrated correctly with a sound metre. Thankfully this brand (Paradigm) offer a calibration kit called Perfect Bass Kit. It is a microphone and software that takes measurement throughout your listening space. Takes measurements, plots the ideal response and makes alterations to the EQ to get it back in line.

Here is a graph, the Red is the boomy peaky nastyness similar to what we get in our Jeeps. The Blue is what you want, and the Purple is what I ended up with. If this type of thing was offered in our cars it would be awesome. But I am dreaming.



It was night and day, no more uncontrolled crap, now nice and tight.
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These engines have become incredibly complex, this is mainly due to having to conform to the Californian emission standards. Have a read on the Web about the ERG used in diesels and you will find a scary link to the DPF that others here are having problems with. It's nice to have a modern new car... But it comes at a price and I don't mean $$. I sincerely hope your problems are fixed easily and soon.
Looks like EGR is causing more harm than good to the engine. Is it legal to remove it in AUS?

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Overland and Limited have the same crappy Alpine 9 speaker system. Sounds like puss. My advice to anyone testing speakers is to ignore what any reviews say, or what anyone else claims to be great and trust your ears only, comparing several models and brands side by side. So even though I say ignore what I say and only your ears count, the system sounds like utter crap, and no one with a half decent sound system with a good sub that is calibrated and positioned correctly would say any different. The sub is boomy loose overbearing nasty nasty nasty. The thing is these things can sometimes be fixed. The sub I have at home was shaking the walls to death and overbearing as all hell even when calibrated correctly with a sound metre. Thankfully this brand (Paradigm) offer a calibration kit called Perfect Bass Kit. It is a microphone and software that takes measurement throughout your listening space. Takes measurements, plots the ideal response and makes alterations to the EQ to get it back in line. Here is a graph, the Red is the boomy peaky nastyness similar to what we get in our Jeeps. The Blue is what you want, and the Purple is what I ended up with. If this type of thing was offered in our cars it would be awesome. But I am dreaming. It was night and day, no more uncontrolled crap, now nice and tight.
Snuke, your point is valid. Being a musician and a part time sound engineer, the frequency response of the bass is determined by the space it has to generate sound waves. It peaks due to the size of the speaker cone and the overtones it creates in relation to the space it operates in. As the fundamental overlaps it creates peaks and troughs. Unfortunately the cabin amplifies these bass overtones and you get an increase in these lower frequencies. I have made any measurements, but we can assume with your frequency map, the distance from sub woofer to the other side of the cabin is exactly the distance required to increase the bass response. Just like when waves in the ocean meet, two small waves double in size. Unfortunately for us, it is the bass end that is doing this creating the sound we don't want. If this were to occur at work, we would EQ this out. Unfortunately Jeep doesn't supply a full graphic EQ to assist us. Just my two cents worth.
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