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Old 02-28-2014, 03:07 AM
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

In all fairness, it is an "acceptable" camera. Although I think the JGC should have a better quality camera.
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Panic alarm

I was reading owners manual about panic alarm, and noticed that there's no panic alarm button on key FOB. Is the feature unavailable in AUS?

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Awesome. Thanks for sharing. I wanna take the camper trailer on the beach up towards di point. A little nervous about that but I'll wait until I have tow hooks and go with someone else. Had no trouble getting across the cutting without the ct.
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In all fairness, it is an "acceptable" camera. Although I think the JGC should have a better quality camera.
Huh... do you actually own a Laredo? The vision is totally useless at night which renders the camera as unacceptable as it is not fit for purpose.

Btw, Jeep Aus still hasn't responded to my letter from early December. Tracey from customer care says she will look into it and call be back later in the day - never happens.

I have been so busy lately, but when I get some free time I will raise the issues of camera, dpf, idle vibration and shocks with the Dept of Commerce. An expose on the ABC consumer watch is a great idea.
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I may be playing devils advocate here but either way does "reverse camera" really state perfect in all circumstances?

I have a limited and am "happy" with the camera it's not great at night or in full sunlight but It is a reverse camera.

Are we simply being swayed towards higher standards due to the quality of the rest of the vehicle. There HAS to be sacrifices to supply a vehicle as fully loaded as this for the base price of a toyota.

Sorry in advance
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:27 AM
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That's a balanced approach Chris, but I think the monetary cost between what's getting fitted and something that works acceptably in typical driving conditions is a factor to consider. We're talking about twenty bucks at the highest possible difference. Cheaper cars are offering far better kit as standard equipment too.

Then there's the angle that a lot of buyers were told that it's just like the Overland or some other unequal comparative.

To me, a reverse camera you can't rely on to be reasonably clear is a relative safety hazard... much more so than many other things which are forced upon us in the same connection. If it's there it should work. Imagine if your rear view mirror was unclear at times due to poor quality.

That said, it's good you're OK with what you got.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

Imagine how you feel about a reverse camera when the dealer on pickup reverses your nice new car into a carpark on pickup and says wow.... That camera is ablosutely useless i had no idea they were this bad. It was 5pm and he was facing the glare from the sun due to the wide angle lens. I cannot get it to angle where I don't have 1/3 of the screen taken up with the bumper or the top of the camera housing. At night the wide angle must just cop all the light from the reversing lights as well which renders it useless and a white haze behind the car. On the Laredo there is no reverse sensors in the car and the visibility out of these cars is not the best with the reduced widow size and size of the pillars.

That being said this is the best car that I have owned and have not had one problem with it apart from the UConnect electrical based problems that have been resolved with the update. If I was more hands on ibwould have probably tried a new camera myself and be done with it.

With the removal of ford, Holden and toyota from manufacturing in Australia that if jeep Australia got there act together they could corner this market. However they would need the decency of offering capped price servicing at least during the warranty period of the car, didn't stick their head in the sand about known issues and actually realised if you are the highest volume of sales for a car then every part should be in multiples in the warehouse to keep these cars out on the road. It isn't as if they don't make money each time they sell a spare part, as we know this is where they make a killing as well.
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Old 03-01-2014, 05:49 PM
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Imagine how you feel about a reverse camera when the dealer on pickup reverses your nice new car into a carpark on pickup and says wow.... That camera is ablosutely useless i had no idea they were this bad. It was 5pm and he was facing the glare from the sun due to the wide angle lens. I cannot get it to angle where I don't have 1/3 of the screen taken up with the bumper or the top of the camera housing. At night the wide angle must just cop all the light from the reversing lights as well which renders it useless and a white haze behind the car. On the Laredo there is no reverse sensors in the car and the visibility out of these cars is not the best with the reduced widow size and size of the pillars.

That being said this is the best car that I have owned and have not had one problem with it apart from the UConnect electrical based problems that have been resolved with the update. If I was more hands on ibwould have probably tried a new camera myself and be done with it.

With the removal of ford, Holden and toyota from manufacturing in Australia that if jeep Australia got there act together they could corner this market. However they would need the decency of offering capped price servicing at least during the warranty period of the car, didn't stick their head in the sand about known issues and actually realised if you are the highest volume of sales for a car then every part should be in multiples in the warehouse to keep these cars out on the road. It isn't as if they don't make money each time they sell a spare part, as we know this is where they make a killing as well.

Well said on all fronts Createit. Many of us has spoken on the tardiness of the Chrysler/Fiat/Jeep/Dodge/Ram/Alfa Oz (or whatever theyre called this week) in areas, of ordering, supply, information,parts, communication, dealers and this important issue of a rear park SAFETY camera for the Laredo.

Keeping on topic with the rear park SAFETY camera, (the emphasis being on SAFETY) since it has been fitted to my vehicle, the only reasonable use I have out of it is backing up to my caravan without my fair lady placing herself in a position of being squashed and me eliminating frustration from not interpreting her undecipherable signals.

That is the only pro. the cons are that the camera is useless in bright sunlight, sunset and night time. So where does the SAFETY part come in.

We are all devasted when we hear of children being accidentally killed and injured because of the lack of a Rear park SAFETY camera. Even worse if a poor vision rear park SAFETY camera is fitted.

As mentioned many cheaper cars have far better quality image than does the JGC Laredo MY14.

There are several areas of mis-advertising by Jeep Aust that can be nominated on this issue, even from their own brochures. The images of the reverse camera in the brochures do not reflect the actual image.

I think it is about time for some one to formulate a document/petition and centralise it so that those owners dis satisfied with the supplied camera can attest to it and sign it to be submitted to Chrysler Jeep etc and to the government regulatory bodies.

How does one get a list of Australian owners of this vehicle, a MY14 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo?? Difficult.

So, come on those bush lawyers out there!! Come up with some constructive ideas to get the ball rolling.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

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I may be playing devils advocate here but either way does "reverse camera" really state perfect in all circumstances?

sorry in advance
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I don't think we are talking about perfection here, but rather fit for purpose. The Australian Consumer Law requires goods and services to be fit for purpose but Jeep Australia appears to thumb their noses to what their customers are entitled to. The argument that substandard performance is ok because the car is feature loaded for the price is also nonsense. If a car comes standard with a feature, such a reversing camera, the customer is morally, and under law, entitled to expect and have the feature work as intended.
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I don't know if I have a Jeep Australia supplied camera in my Laredo as there seems to be minimal factory connectors. Power connection is via the light bar but the video cable seems to run directly to the screen. The video shows no guide lines and I suspect this may be a non-Jeep supplied camera. This may explain why this camera seems "acceptable" where others say it is unusable. I would still like to source a quality camera with guide lines.
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The photo you have attached shows a cheap non Jeep camera. I have a MY12 Larado and my camera is exactly the same as fitted to the limited and overlands - it is in a nice integrated moulded plastic piece. It is not a stuck on little box. Yours looks horrible. The quality of my camera is very good - very happy with it, has guide lines and works in bright sunshine or in the dark. If I was ordering a new MY14 I would be insisting on a limited/overland type camera, not that cheap rubbish JA are currently fitting. JA make me sick with their crap. It should not be this hard. They treat customers with contemp.

The only language they understand is when it comes from a tribunal.....
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The photo you have attached shows a cheap non Jeep camera. I have a MY12 Larado and my camera is exactly the same as fitted to the limited and overlands - it is in a nice integrated moulded plastic piece. It is not a stuck on little box. Yours looks horrible. The quality of my camera is very good - very happy with it, has guide lines and works in bright sunshine or in the dark. If I was ordering a new MY14 I would be insisting on a limited/overland type camera, not that cheap rubbish JA are currently fitting. JA make me sick with their crap. It should not be this hard. They treat customers with contemp.

The only language they understand is when it comes from a tribunal.....

GMWK2, you can insist all you like mate, but that aint gonna change anything with this bunch of insular morons. Jeep Aust management have their heads stuck up where the sun dont shine a long ways.

Ive "insisted" (along with many others) to no avail. The dealers cant do anything. They just run the Company line and fit (when they eventually get them) these Flintstone cameras.

You were the lucky ones getting the quality cameras in the MY12/13 models. I wonder why???????????

Oh, I know. Perhaps it had something to do with getting the sales up back then.

Now they can pick and choose what they do for their own convenience.
We are "Mushrooms" to them.

But, some "Mushrooms" can be poisonous so be very careful Jeep Aust!!
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