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2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

Hi all,

Got my new 2014 Overland in diesel. The first visit to the gas station was to BP. This resulted in an awful engine rattle at low revs and ultimately a trip back to the shop to get the tank drained. The dealer recommended Caltex. Possibly a bad batch of BP Ultimate??

In any event, I have noticed that the engine has quite a pronounced knock/rattle at low revs (> idle) but is more pronounced when the tank is less than half full and somewhat less pronounced when on Caltex.

Having not owned a diesel before, and given the car is new, I am not sure what level of diesel rattle is normal and when?

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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

A lot of us on here (most I think) use Caltex Vortex. I have only topped up with BP once and I don’t what was in it when I picked the car up, otherwise always Vortex. It doesn’t rattle any more than what I would say a normal diesel sound is.
There is a thread on here about an unusually high rattle sound.
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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

Is it worse when the motor is cold? There have been some owners that have reported loud engine rattle after a cold start, but disappears after a while.

But normally the Grand Cherokee diesel is quiet compared to other diesels.

Some reading from the other forum:
http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/...d.php?t=136108
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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

I have been filling mine with BP Ultimate since I got it. Not sure what the dealer put in it when I picked it up as it had a full tank.

I can not say I have noticed any excessive rattling, but imo it is a bit nosier when stone cold.

I might try a tank or two of Caltex Vortex and see if I notice a difference.
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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

Strange that Jeep seem to blame the fuel in Au for the VM Diesel issues. I mostly use Vortex and have been told BP's the best one to use? That's because of the consistent Cetane rating of around 50? Mine has had no re-occurrence of the "excessive clatter" since they stuck the MOPAR additive in the tank. I have not refuelled it as yet so it will be interesting to see if there experiment works or not. JA are quite aware of this issue as there are quite a few vehicles reported to be doing it now. I believe the service department here have a pretty good idea what's causing it and have indicated they will sort it out after this trial.
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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

Fill mine up the bp ultimate at pymble.
No issue to date.
Only 2500km
Was told bp ultimate was the best to use?


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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

First post here.

I've had my Laredo for about 3 weeks and a bit over 800k's and haven't actually had to fill the tank yet !

It's going in for the 1000k check in the morning so I'll ask what they had filled it with when I drove it out of the yard.
The servicing sticker states Caltex lubricants so maybe it was Vortex.

I'd read that BP ultimate was the lowest in sulfur (ULS) and also Caltex Vortex. they both have <10ppm but could not find the actual figures.

I noticed that the diesel rattle sound is only slightly more noticeable when stone cold and also more noticeable when under load pulling away from lights 1000-1600rpm. It is more the fact that it runs smooth and sweet from 1800rpm up that you only notice the noise at lower revs.

I sat next to a quite new Hyundai i30 at the lights this morning, window down, and it's diesel was noiser than the JGC.
Nissan patrol 3L 4cyl TD is the worst rattle i've ever heard.

Before buying the JGC i'd tried a Ranger/BT-50, Prado, Hilux, Challenger, and a Territory. The JGC was the smoothest of the lot.


I'll probably fill it with either BP ultimate or Vortex tomorrow and drive it to Brisbane Sunday - ON ONE TANK

Coming back via the coast with the van on the back might need to fill up probably once.

I towed the van up to BNE 2 weeks ago behind my old Crewman - filled up 4 times $250+ and ran at 18L/100km.
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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

Welcome Steve, I think the VM CRD is normally quiet compared to other makes even during it's warm up period but I can assure you that if your diesel gets the clatter up as mine does on occasions you will know.
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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

Thanks, enjoying it so far. First diesel I've owned, although driven and rented plenty. My first Jeep too.

Service guys (in Rosebery, Sydney) said they had no idea what is in it when sold, supplied with a full tank.

They recommended "any reputable branded diesel, like say BP or Caltex"

All Diesel in AU is <10 ppm sulfur in the last 6 years and the VM is designed to use it. Older engines (like the D4D) knacker injector seals sooner with the lower lubrication, or so I'm told by someone who rebuilds and endless stream of D4D's all day every day.

I've read elsewhere that the "premium" versions do make a difference in economy and burn cleaner and hotter which might be better for keeping the DPF clear which is the only concern I have with it at the moment.

I guess the main brands of Diesel come from the same place anyway, there is probably more variation in the storage condition at individual stations.

Maybe the OP got a dogdy tankful if it really was the difference fuel that caused the excessive rattle noise.
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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

Have just received an email from Jeep Service that a new update for the PCM dated 18th Dec. 18-019-14 Rev A is now available and to book the vehicle in as they believe it will address this excessive clatter issue.
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I have mine booked for a 10k service in two weeks they mentuon an update to recalibrate/ realign the injectors as I raise the issue of noise after about 1500k. See what comes of it all mine is worse when cold and around 1500rpm under load.
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Re: 2014 JGC Diesel rattle (Australia)

Um isnt bp ultimate unleaded surely a typo and not using the wrong fuel!!
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