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6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

Had a new Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited for 6 days (and almost 500 kms) before being shunted up the back in an 80 km/h speed zone. The lady in front of me had started braking and came to a full stop, and I pulled up behind her (had no where else to go). The lady then indicated and moved into the next lane. When she moved I saw a plastic box was sitting on the road. I decided to just run over the box as is was too dangerous to remain there stopped. As I started to accelerate I was hit from behind big time. The pictures below tell the story.

The plastic box that the lady in front of me stopped to avoid.

The accident scene – note the distance between the Commodore and Jeep.

The Commodore

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Active Headrests had activated – note angle of driver’s seat.

Thankfully, despite the severity of the incident, no one was seriously hurt.
What is done is done and cannot be changed so it is time to move on and consider the repair or replacement options. My preference is for the replacement of the vehicle (insurance write off) but the Smash repairers are indicating the Jeep is "repairable". Does anyone in this forum have any experience to answer the following questions?

1. The 2011 GC Parts manual (from wk2jeeps.com) indicates the Rear Floor rails (item 4) run to the middle of the car. In a rear end accident are these replaced entirely or are they cut at a non damaged point and welded back in?

2. Are the Rails manufactured from a high strength steel or normal grade steel?
3. If they are manufactured from high strength steel are there any restrictions on repair or welding?
4. The force of the impact has made the rear doors "pop' out a little at the top and the rear doors have contacted the front doors. Can this be straightened out on the car aligner?
5. If the diff has moved slightly (say 3 or 4 mm) could this cause damage to the gearbox or driveline?
6. The seat was pushed "back" approximately 10 degrees in the accident. Is this a safety feature or has the seat been damaged and needs repair or replacement?
7. Spare part availability? Would the panels be a stock item in Australia or am I going to wait for a very long time (3 to 6 months)?
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Old 08-01-2014, 05:24 PM
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

looks totaled to me...the entire rear of it is buckled. The crumple zones did their job! VERY HAPPY you are OK!
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Old 08-01-2014, 06:11 PM
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

As Scott pointed out, the crumple zones did their job.

When I was working, the rule of thumb for the rails and the floor was anything damaged passed the convoluted area (crumple zone) gets replaced. You don't want these pieces strengthened by welding, because if there is a next time you want them to crush just as the did now. That's what protected you.

To total a vehicle usually requires damage to exceed 75% of the value. Even with changing the floor, a big job done right, would probably not come to $30,000. If it was built it can be fixed.

That said, we were always very liberal with totalling brand new cars, for 2 reasons. One was customer service. We always looked at these with a "what if it was us" attitude. Secondly is the salvage value.

The 75% I mentioned above is based on the insurance company being able to get 25% salvage value. With a rear end hit on your vehicle, the salvage value should be pretty high.

If the insurance company wants to pay for the repair, you should start getting salvage bids yourself. You should be able to take the check for the repairs, and the amount you get for salvage, to come pretty close to being made whole.

If there is a loan, or if it's a lease, the bank may have some say in the matter.

Everyone being ok is the most important. Good luck with the rest of it.


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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

Re point 7. This is not pretty, spare parts availability is worse than appalling. It is the biggest let down with these cars in Aus. Even though they are now in the running for number one in their segment with sales, they have sweet FA spares. It all comes via the slow boat too, even if it is a small and urgent item keeping you off the road.

I would be very firm in your head that this will and must be a full replacement, getting this repaired will take many months.

Bill this is in Aus, the Limited CRD is Au $62,000 plus on roads.

I must say this is the strangest looking Deep Cherry Red finish I have ever seen, or did the crash force the pigment out of the paint?

Who are you insured with?
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

Glad everyone is Ok but sorry to hear about your car. Looking at the massive damage to the old Commodore and the "small" amount to the Jeep just shows how far safety in cars has come.

Your Jeep looks like a throw away to me - rear qters are buckled right up to the rear door shut line - it will never be the same as new car - the paint will be crap and it will never be straight. Resale value in the future is pretty much zero now.

And as Snuke says, parts supply is hopeless - you will be waiting a very long time for repair.

I'd be reading your insurance policy very closely and pushing for a write-off.

Good luck with it.
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

Snuke,
you are obviously not wearing your rose coloured glasses? To tell the truth I got a little impatient when they had not even started building my GC after 4 months. The dealer then offered me the Billet Silver one and I thought why not?
The Deep Cherry Red GC has now been built and is sitting on the dock at Curtis Bay.
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

A quick thanks to everyone who posted a comment. I have taken your advice on board and will attempt to force the write off option. That said the Smash repairer is very keen to repair the car, but for all the reasons stated above I am not keen on this at all!

I will let you know the outcome but the process will take a week or 2.
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

Sorry to hear about your Jeep. I know it sucks!

My 2011 GC Laredo, got rear-ended by a van while I was standing at a red light. The impact pushed me into a Jeep Liberty in front of me. So I had front and rear damage adding up to around $19,000 on a $38,000 car that was 2 years old. I like you wanted it totalled, but they wouldn't do it. Mine wa a 3 yr lease so I wasn't that concerned. Your Jeep is more crumpled in the rear, but I had extensive damage n the front caused by the tire on the back of the Liberty. It tore through my GC above the bumper line. The Liberty had virtually no damage. The airbags never even went off, which is one reason they said it wasn't totalled. Very expensive to replace air bags so hopefully yours will be declared a total loss.
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

All your seat belts should be replaced. Most never are in a accident but if they were on a person, under law they should be replaced as well as all the retracters.

Best part is no injury. Good luck.

Also fight for the anticipated value loss from the accident, its knows as "Diminished Value" We all know when we trade in a car and its had that much damage you take a big hit, well now insurance companies are paying you that up front, That accident will be-listed as major on the "CARFAX" type reports and lets just say you wanted to buy it at the end of the lease and then sell it. You have a legitimate loss due to the accident
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

Wow good to hear that you are ok. First time I seen how active head rest work. Because you had a tow bar it has taken most of the impact. Most car insurance companies provide a one to one replacement car in the first 2 years if written off, so don’t worry too much.
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That said the Smash repairer is very keen to repair the car, but for all the reasons stated above I am not keen on this at all!
They only get paid for repairs, so obviously he wants the job to repair it.... who's your insurer? Looks like a write off to me.
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Re: 6 day Old Jeep Grand Cherokee Accident

Looks very repairable. Definitely not a total. Now the other car will need some extra buffing...

Mine was hit from behind at a red light within 2 months old by another GC at 50pmh. Mine looks worse than yours and did $16k in damage. Truck is like new. No damage to the frame or suspension so tracks great. Other than a couple goobers that the shop did (and fixed), you cannot tell it was in a wreck.
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