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Old 05-21-2012, 12:51 PM
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Re: CRD engine chip

As I wrote somewhere before. My Jeep dealer told me that they had offered officialy this kind of chip for the previous diesel engine. It was prepared by some external tuning company here in Warsaw and Jeep Poland didn't have a problem with that at all.
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I would suggest you go tot he WRX forum and see how many people have had modified cars rejected for warranty claims.
Car makers cannot warrant modified cars.
Many people thought Ford could not detect an edited ECU, well they thought wrong, Ford send an engineer with a ECU tool that can detect a modification.
Piggy back ECU's are different, as they do not leave a trace, however it is a risk.
Just remember that IF you make a warranty claim on a blown motor/gearbox/diff, Jeep can say "denied" and then you have to fight them.
Mind you they can say it regardless of any modifications.

Do not think I am against anyone doing this, I am just making people aware of the possible results.
If people think that an edited or flashed ECU cant be detected, then that's just being naive. VAG have a counter in their ecu's that can tell how many times an edit or flash has occured.

Piggy backs, or interceptor chips, cant be detected in the ecu. As long as they operate within the engines factor of safety then the risk is minimal. But there is still a risk.

That's why if I did get a chip, then I would prefer a local supplier. Even if the chip is more expensive here, then you have recourse on local suppliers. For example, DP Chip is supplied, fitted and dyno'd by Berrima Diesel. Might be 5 times more expensive, but at least I have some comfort that it will been done with a bit of thought for my application.

One other thing I suggest is that if you do a install a chip, dont mention it on a public forum. If manufacturers do in fact watch forums, and you are unlucky enough to have a powertrain problem, then you dont want to hand them ammo to refuse warranty claims with.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:38 PM
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...............One other thing I suggest is that if you do a install a chip, dont mention it on a public forum. If manufacturers do in fact watch forums, and you are unlucky enough to have a powertrain problem, then you dont want to hand them ammo to refuse warranty claims with.
Do you really think that Jeep Aust executives can actually read?
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:40 AM
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Do you really think that Jeep Aust executives can actually read?
Of course not, they're executives. They have PA's to do the reading.
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But back to the topic...
I have a box from rachechip.de sitting on my desk and as soon as I find a few minutes it will be fitted to my GC. I had chipped my previous GC and it made a noticeable difference in power and absolutely no issues in the 4+ years I owned it.

Part of the fun owning a car is playing with the car and I intend to do exactly that

I will report back once I have fitted it.
Hey Pwyss,
How is the chip performing? Any issues? Noticable power increase? Any figures you can quote on returned fuel savings? Father's day is around the corner and I am getting tempted
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Old 07-30-2012, 11:15 PM
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Re: CRD engine chip

There is another thread on this chip under the Diesel 2012 thread. A member called BlackLimited is reporting pretty good results from that chip. If you haven't read it already it may be worth checking out. I plan on ordering the same one just as soon as I cash up.
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Re: CRD engine chip

link?... cant find it after 2.5 secs.. so I'm done.
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Re: CRD engine chip

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My insurance you are not obliged to tell them, they automatically cover road worthy modifications (NRMA).

The performance gains of those chips is actually quite decent, up from 550 to 650 NM or torque, more power and better economy. Great for towing and long trips etc.
But they simply remap the air/fuel mixtures so for it to actually cause damage to the engine is quite hard and unlikely. Jeep would also have to prove the chip was responsible for the damage.

But the thing is it is the same as any modification. Same as if you raise you car, or if you put an exhaust on it, or change to bigger tyres etc etc, there is always a risk. If you wanna be 100% safe then dot modify your car in any possible way until warranty expires.
only a very few change both the fuel and air pressure maps. most just dump in extra fuel ... so yes, those that don't add more air so alter the air/fuel rations ... but for the worse.

in regards to the warranty issue frog_a_lot is on the money.

Aussie laws state that the fitment of an aftermarket part cannot be reason to void warranty. if a dealer says to you "that will void warranty" ask him to put it in writing. he will back away from his statement as he knows its illegal for him to say this.

if anyone wants the official write up about this, you can download this for your information

CLICK HERE

In the first paragraph of page 9 explains your Statutory rights
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Re: CRD engine chip

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I am not familiar with the Jeep system specifically but in general terms you're spot on. When I was in the cops I investigated a prang where a highway car had wrapped itself around a pole. The driver had claimed some mechanical failure had caused the accident and the union was jumping up and down because the airbag hadn't deployed. The black box (whatever it is actually called) had to be examined by the Ford engineers at the factory, but they could tell everything about the prang from speed, brake pressure, rpm through to newtons of force at impact, seatbelt tension etc. I would have no doubt analysis of this type of data would show whether something had been fitted at the time of the accident, particularly when the chip manufacturers claim significant increases in hp, torque etc.


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Most piggy back performance chips will trick the factory ECU into thinking the values are normal but in fact the values have been changed. therefore any logging will only log what the ECU is seeing. hence, the data will not show any "abnormality" ie over boosting or more power etc
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Re: CRD engine chip

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I know what you are saying, but I have been there and done it and seen the result.
I am a Mod on xr6 Turbo and see so many people get their cars "Edited".
Tuning a petrol enginee is quite different to tuning a diesel. If you get the AFRs wrong (lean) in a petrol engine the thing hand-grenades. In a diesel if you lean it out you just loose power. Zero harm done. If too rich it will blow plumes of black smoke but its noticeable so u know its wrong. Keep driving it rich can result in hot EGTs. However, in my opinion, u probably are not a tuner or a real crappy one to not see its too rich and/or EGTs are too high.

This is why there are a LOT of diesel Chips on the market and why people rebadge them and sell in their local market. (DP, Roo, Rapid, TunIt)

U never see people rebadging a Haltec (petrol ECU) ... too many risks so they let Haltec wear their own liability
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