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Still waiting for my CRD to arrive, but can I ask, whats wrong with the dealer supplying the oil?
To answer this - I can refer to this post by Clubby 360 "My dealer uses valvoline synpower , meets all specifications, my crd is running like a dream."

The only oil that Valvoline has (that I can find) that comes anywhere near close to the Chrysler MS11106 spec for my WK2 CRD is Valvoline Synpower MST 5W-30 - however - nowhere in the data sheets does it note that it meets that specification. Plain Synpower certainly doesn't.
To meet emission regulations these latest generation hi tec diesel engines use particulate filters in the exhaust and also employ exhaust gas recirculation. Manufacturers specify very low ash, low sulphur, low friction, long life oils for this application, to avoid deposits in the intake system and clogging of the particulate filter.
The's plenty of information on the web, plus lots of horror stories relating to the use of incorrect oil.
In my case (and after 6 previous diesel vehicles) I was well aware of the importance of using the right oil.
Likely much the same as Clubby360 - my dealer has VW, Hyundai, Chrysler....and all their models and various connotations are serviced in the same workshop. With all due respect to them, there is no way that each and every engine gets the exact right oil.
This subject was covered in this forum quite some time back and it was very evident that dealers were not always using oil that complied with the Chrysler specification and it seems that continues to be the case.
I'm keen enough to source and provide the specified oil, my dealer is OK with that, and the final cost to me is less that the dealer charges for the oil - plus the benefit of removing any question of whether it's the right stuff in the engine and doing the job.
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Still waiting for my CRD to arrive, but can I ask, whats wrong with the dealer supplying the oil?
John beat ne to it but I might add the following. The dealers are simply not supplying the best oil. They will claim it is correct and that they have checked with Jeep and it's OK, but then when you ask them what it is, they get cagey. They might tell you the brand and the viscosity but that is all. If you press them they will tell you it's a dealer only oil to shut you up. The CRD requires a fully synthetic low ash oil meeting certain Chrysler specified standards. Research by site members so far yields only two oils that comply. They are Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 and Pennzoil Ultra Euro L. These are exotic and expensive and we haven't found any dealers using them. Having said that, what the dealers use are probably not harmful and certainly cheaper but I think most of us would prefer exactly what Chrysler specifies, not near enough is good enough.
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To answer this - I can refer to this post by Clubby 360 "My dealer uses valvoline synpower , meets all specifications, my crd is running like a dream."

The only oil that Valvoline has (that I can find) that comes anywhere near close to the Chrysler MS11106 spec for my WK2 CRD is Valvoline Synpower MST 5W-30 - however - nowhere in the data sheets does it note that it meets that specification. Plain Synpower certainly doesn't.
To meet emission regulations these latest generation hi tec diesel engines use particulate filters in the exhaust and also employ exhaust gas recirculation. Manufacturers specify very low ash, low sulphur, low friction, long life oils for this application, to avoid deposits in the intake system and clogging of the particulate filter.
The's plenty of information on the web, plus lots of horror stories relating to the use of incorrect oil.
In my case (and after 6 previous diesel vehicles) I was well aware of the importance of using the right oil.
Likely much the same as Clubby360 - my dealer has VW, Hyundai, Chrysler....and all their models and various connotations are serviced in the same workshop. With all due respect to them, there is no way that each and every engine gets the exact right oil.
This subject was covered in this forum quite some time back and it was very evident that dealers were not always using oil that complied with the Chrysler specification and it seems that continues to be the case.
I'm keen enough to source and provide the specified oil, my dealer is OK with that, and the final cost to me is less that the dealer charges for the oil - plus the benefit of removing any question of whether it's the right stuff in the engine and doing the job.
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Synpower mst is technically the correct oil for my crd, chrysler states oil approved to mb 229.31 or mb 229.51 this is one of a few oils approved to both, also oil should meet acea c3, this oil meets acea a3,b4 and c3, this means it is suitable for diesel particulate filters and has very low ash content, it is fully synthetic, ms- 11106 just means it has been tested by chrysler , discussed all this with service manager and am satisfied
Ps, they charged me 96 dollars for oil, here is some info on synpower mst
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Re: CRD engine oil revisited

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Synpower mst is technically the correct oil for my crd, chrysler states oil approved to mb 229.31 or mb 229.51 this is one of a few oils approved to both, also oil should meet acea c3, this oil meets acea a3,b4 and c3, this means it is suitable for diesel particulate filters and has very low ash content, it is fully synthetic, ms- 11106 just means it has been tested by chrysler , discussed all this with service manager and am satisfied
Ps, they charged me 96 dollars for oil, here is some info on synpower mst
Hi Clubby360
please don't misundertand this as a pissing contest - but the point is that there is a Chrysler specification for the CRD oil - and your dealer chooses to supply an oil that doesn't comply.
The price your dealer charged for an oil fill (8.4l) is roughly half of what my dealer and a few others charge - for oil that is "technically" OK for the engine.
See BobT's post above.
If you are happy with your price and dealer explanation that is great.

There is a fair bit of information available via Google regarding the issues encountered with incorrect oil and gunk buildup in the valve train and intake manifolds in late model EGR equipped turbo diesel engines - chase up VW and Pajero.

Back to MS11106 - I had this from Shell Technical Services in Australia when I initially did some research - "To Claim MS-11106 you need to meet MB 229.51 + the TEOST test."
From what I can find out this test relates to the ash residue left when oil is burned on a hot plate. Very relevant as far as I am concerned.
Oils that comply are few and far between in Australia - and expensive, but I'm prepared to source and supply - because I can.
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I got my Mobil 1 from GL Lubricants of Regents Park (Sydney) Mobil Pricelist — Top Grade Oil at Lowest Price. Entry via the back door, pay the Asian lady, cash only, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more . While there, drop in for a schooner at Dooleys Regents Park Sports Club. It's where the Sydney Jeep Club hold their meetings.
Bob are you paying 11.50 Quart or is 'door' price better?
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Hi Clubby360
please don't misundertand this as a pissing contest - but the point is that there is a Chrysler specification for the CRD oil - and your dealer chooses to supply an oil that doesn't comply.
The price your dealer charged for an oil fill (8.4l) is roughly half of what my dealer and a few others charge - for oil that is "technically" OK for the engine.
See BobT's post above.
If you are happy with your price and dealer explanation that is great.

There is a fair bit of information available via Google regarding the issues encountered with incorrect oil and gunk buildup in the valve train and intake manifolds in late model EGR equipped turbo diesel engines - chase up VW and Pajero.

Back to MS11106 - I had this from Shell Technical Services in Australia when I initially did some research - "To Claim MS-11106 you need to meet MB 229.51 + the TEOST test."
From what I can find out this test relates to the ash residue left when oil is burned on a hot plate. Very relevant as far as I am concerned.
Oils that comply are few and far between in Australia - and expensive, but I'm prepared to source and supply - because I can.
John
No misunderstanding at all, us jeep owners are one happy family, spoke to dealer he said there was no way they would be allowed to use this oil if it wasn't allowed by chrysler , he got onto valvoline , it actually exceeds ms-11106, just not stated, check out valvolines website and got to net lube and type in our vehicle and see what comes up, heres a photo.
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No misunderstanding at all, us jeep owners are one happy family, spoke to dealer he said there was no way they would be allowed to use this oil if it wasn't allowed by chrysler , he got onto valvoline , it actually exceeds ms-11106, just not stated, check out valvolines website and got to net lube and type in our vehicle and see what comes up, heres a photo.
I'm sure it's a good oil, it is just that it does not have approval to MS-11106 nor Fiat 9.55535-S1/3. See http://www.valvoline.com.au/explore-...tic-engine-oil . That doesn't mean that it doesn't meet or exceed these standards, it means that it hasn't been tested by the testing authority. The "meets or esceeds" is simply the oil manufacturers claim. Heaven forbid that oil manufacturers make false claims but why not have it tested.
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John beat ne to it but I might add the following. The dealers are simply not supplying the best oil. They will claim it is correct and that they have checked with Jeep and it's OK, but then when you ask them what it is, they get cagey. They might tell you the brand and the viscosity but that is all. If you press them they will tell you it's a dealer only oil to shut you up. The CRD requires a fully synthetic low ash oil meeting certain Chrysler specified standards. Research by site members so far yields only two oils that comply. They are Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 and Pennzoil Ultra Euro L. These are exotic and expensive and we haven't found any dealers using them. Having said that, what the dealers use are probably not harmful and certainly cheaper but I think most of us would prefer exactly what Chrysler specifies, not near enough is good enough.
When I asked my Dealer what type of Oil they used for my Vehicle he simply said Euro spec which was not enough information as far as I was concerned so I also sourced the Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 from GL Lubricants which was around $140.00 for 9 1L bottles & then went to the local Repco Service Centre as they also do logbook services (all up with a Chrysler filter it was around $320.00 for the service) which is better than the $500.00 the dealer quoted, now though I have to take it to the dealer to get a few small warranty items checked & also to see if there are any software updates etc ... I wonder how I will go with this seeing as I did not get them to service it lol
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