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Old 10-25-2012, 05:07 AM
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Took mine back to Repco today. However, I am sure that the label still claims ACEA C3. Notwithstanding, I didn't feel like taking a chance for Jeep to say I couldn't use it because it didn't meet the specs.


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Old 10-29-2012, 07:00 AM
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Looks like that Shell have indeed changed the formulation from XHVI to Yubase and that is why they can no longer claim the MS 1106 and ACEA C3 approvals. That doesn't mean that the oil would not past the necessary tests to get those approvals, rather it is more likely that the tests have not been done.

In the interim I think the safest bet is for us to find a new oil.

The only oil that I can find that specifically mentions and meets the following specs:

5W-30
MS 11106
ACEA C3
MB 229.51

is Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30.

In Perth, I can get this oil from Repco as a special order, albeit in a 20 litre drum.

Be warned that it is expensive.

While I'm certainly not a Mobil fan, I see little alternative at the moment.
How much did they quote you for 20litre?

There is an eBay seller in Sydney selling this oil imported directly from the states. $139 for 12 quarts delivered within Sydney which equates to $12.24 per litre.


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Old 10-29-2012, 11:11 PM
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Re: CRD oil on special

Pretty sure it was Circa $350 for 20 litres. Probably available for less elsewhere as that was Repco at Full Retail.

I admit to being a little dubious about buying oil off ebay. How can we be sure that we are really getting what we pay for? Also, often, not always, the same oil product will vary slighty in the blend between countries due to different climates etc. Not sure if I would be comfortable with the whole ebay thing.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:41 AM
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Re: CRD oil on special

Just been reading this oil thread, has anyone used Penrite Enviro + 5W-40, seems to meet all the specs, I have never used Penrite before but is is readily available at a number of big outlets.

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A wide viscosity range, full synthetic, low to mid SAPS product for petrol and light duty diesel engines (with DPF). May be used where 5W-30 oils are required and where ACEA C2 or C3 is required. Ideal for a wide range of engines including BMW, Porsche, Mercedes Benz, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, Holden and Mitsubishi. OEM Approved technology. Suitable for use where ACEA A3/B4 is recommended prior to MY 2011 (ACEA 2010).
Key Specifications: API SN/CF, ACEA C3/A3/B4, VW 505.01, MB 229.31, MB-Approval 229.51, VW 502.00/505.00 Approved, BMW LL-04 Approved , Porsche A40 Approved, GM dexos2 Licensed (License No. RB2C0330073)


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Old 12-27-2012, 06:38 AM
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Just been reading this oil thread, has anyone used Penrite Enviro + 5W-40, seems to meet all the specs, I have never used Penrite before but is is readily available at a number of big outlets.


ENVIRO+ 5W-40
EPLUS5W40001, EPLUS5W40005, EPLUS5W40010, EPLUS5W40020, EPLUS5W40060, EPLUS5W40205
A wide viscosity range, full synthetic, low to mid SAPS product for petrol and light duty diesel engines (with DPF). May be used where 5W-30 oils are required and where ACEA C2 or C3 is required. Ideal for a wide range of engines including BMW, Porsche, Mercedes Benz, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, Holden and Mitsubishi. OEM Approved technology. Suitable for use where ACEA A3/B4 is recommended prior to MY 2011 (ACEA 2010).
Key Specifications: API SN/CF, ACEA C3/A3/B4, VW 505.01, MB 229.31, MB-Approval 229.51, VW 502.00/505.00 Approved, BMW LL-04 Approved , Porsche A40 Approved, GM dexos2 Licensed (License No. RB2C0330073)


Service Refill Capacity: 8.4 Litres. See note 499 below.
The problem with this is that it's 5W-40 whereas the manual says, "Use only SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Engine Oil... ". The Penrite spec states, "May be used where 5W-30 oils are required... ". Sure one could use it but fuel consumption will be a bit higher and if anything did go wrong with the engine and the dealer was aware this oil was used, he would surely use it to squirm his way out of warranty repairs.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:12 PM
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Re: CRD oil on special

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Just been reading this oil thread, has anyone used Penrite Enviro + 5W-40, seems to meet all the specs, I have never used Penrite before but is is readily available at a number of big outlets.

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ENVIRO+ 5W-40
EPLUS5W40001, EPLUS5W40005, EPLUS5W40010, EPLUS5W40020, EPLUS5W40060, EPLUS5W40205
A wide viscosity range, full synthetic, low to mid SAPS product for petrol and light duty diesel engines (with DPF). May be used where 5W-30 oils are required and where ACEA C2 or C3 is required. Ideal for a wide range of engines including BMW, Porsche, Mercedes Benz, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, Holden and Mitsubishi. OEM Approved technology. Suitable for use where ACEA A3/B4 is recommended prior to MY 2011 (ACEA 2010).
Key Specifications: API SN/CF, ACEA C3/A3/B4, VW 505.01, MB 229.31, MB-Approval 229.51, VW 502.00/505.00 Approved, BMW LL-04 Approved , Porsche A40 Approved, GM dexos2 Licensed (License No. RB2C0330073)


Service Refill Capacity: 8.4 Litres. See note 499 below.
It has nearly all the ticks. Just doesnt have the Chrylser one (you have to wonder how different it can possibly be without it though).

I've used Penrite a lot in the past. Really good stuff. They do market +10 on their hot viscosity rating for a number of oils. It means that at operating temperature their 5W-40 oil will be a little bit more viscous than a 5W-30 so you will likely see a slight reduction in fuel efficiency. I dont believe it will have any detrimental effect on wear and tear, as the viscosity at cold (where most engine wear occurs) is not changed.

I'd move to this oil once warranty is over though, for the reason Bob states.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:55 PM
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Re: CRD oil on special

Out of curiosity, I just went through the Penrite website and noticed that their blurb for the Enviro+ 5W-30 and specifically mentions the diesel 300C and Grand Cherokee.

ENVIRO+ 5W-30

It also has the same C3, MB 229.51, etc. So there is another choice in the Penrite range that's closer to the Jeep spec.
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Carefull,
Enviro+ 5w-30 only meets ACEA C3 for vehicles prior to 2008. (Slightly different spec).

The Enviro + 5w-40 does meet ACEA C3 post 2010, however the viscosity is slightly different, (not a huge problem) how it is more a mid SAPS rather than the required low SAPS.

I think that there are better alternatives out there at the moment.
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Re: CRD oil on special

I'm not worried about the 5W-40 of the Penrite, the 40 just means it's slightly thicker at full operating temperature, it won't be an issue, if anything it gives a slightly better film strength, I'd be very surprised if anyone could pick an economy difference.

I was just interested to see if anyone is using it and if they are using any oil etc.

So what are the better options, never been a fan of Shell, Nulon or Valvoline. Alot of people seem to speak highly of Penrite but I have never used it.
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Re: CRD oil on special

If you want to stick with the recommended Chrysler MS11106 approval (and I do), since Shell changed their formulation of Helix Ultra Extra 5W-30 - the only option as far as I know is Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30.
Since I supply my own oil to the dealer I want all boxes ticked if ever there is an issue that could possibly be even remotely oil related. I've still got 8.5l of the old Shell Ultra Extra formula which carries the approval, and in another 15k I guess I'll have to make a decision as to what oil to buy. It this stage it'll be the Mobil.
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I'm not worried about the 5W-40 of the Penrite, the 40 just means it's slightly thicker at full operating temperature, it won't be an issue, if anything it gives a slightly better film strength, I'd be very surprised if anyone could pick an economy difference.
You are pretty right on all counts. The only thing is that it's not just about film strength. It's a complete lubrication system designed around factors such as oil pressure, oil temperature, heat flow, heat dissipation, flow rates, film thickness, on and on. If the lubrication system is designed around the use of 5W-30 oil, one would think it would operate but not necessarily optimally with other viscosities. Remember the old lubrication adage, "As thin as possible, as thick as necessary".
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I've used solely Penrite for many years and have been very happy with it, that is until the Jeep CRD came along as the Penrite is not close enough to spec.

I was using the Shell Helix Ultra Extra, and just last service changed to the Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 and have been quite impressed. Engine feels smoother and fuel economy has improved 0.5 L/100km (average improvement over 3 tanks).

So, even though previously I've never been a fan of Mobil, that has changed now. Plus it meets ALL specs.
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