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Re: CRD oil on special

Considering all this requirement to meet the car manufacturers' approvals for warranty, one would consider the fact a manufacturer of oils who actually specifies their product is suitable, would also be bound to warrant their product too. If a catastrophic failure occurred, and the manufacturer deemed this was caused by the oil used, then it would be for the oil manufacturer to prove otherwise. If successful, the car manufacturer would have to honour the warranty regardless.

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Re: CRD oil on special

While the opinions expressed in the last few posts are absolutely spot on……...if something goes rattle rattle in your engine, or your DPF clogs completely, or your intake valves won't close because of carbon buildup, and your Jeep is dead in the the dealer workshop - I for one don't want to be having a discussion with anyone about whether the oil contributed or not.

The difference in price between using an oil that carries the certification and one (of equivalent quality) that doesn't, is negligible from what I can see.

While there are plenty of high quality oils available and we are all free to make our own choices - my purchase last week of another 20l of Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 @ $243 wasn't that much of an impost.

Ive posted before that I see it as a risk management issue, and I am confident in using an MS11106 oil that I've ticked all the boxes in regard to every context.
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Re: CRD oil on special

I agree with John47 on this one. From memory MS-11106 is some spec to do with low tarnish or similar, but likely nothing that MB 229.51 wouldn't already have.

But at the end of the day, your Jeep has a failure, do you really want it sitting idle for weeks, even months while resposibility for the failure is determined? Sure, technically, and possibly legally speaking you may be correct, in that MS-11106 may not be relevant. But why put yourself in that postion by not using an oil that actually complies and is also available?

Call it "Can't be bothered with the grief based on CJA's Track Record" insurance.

As posted previously, as soon as the Jeep is out of warranty I think the MS11106 can be dispensed with. Just use ACES C3 2010 (not 2008), MB 229.51 and something that is actually low SAPS and not mid SAPS as some of the oils are.
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Re: CRD oil on special

Fair point(s) raised - it's hard enough getting them to address legitimate warranty work, let alone anything questionable.
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I agree with John47 on this one. From memory MS-11106 is some spec to do with low tarnish or similar, but likely nothing that MB 229.51 wouldn't already have.

But at the end of the day, your Jeep has a failure, do you really want it sitting idle for weeks, even months while resposibility for the failure is determined? Sure, technically, and possibly legally speaking you may be correct, in that MS-11106 may not be relevant. But why put yourself in that postion by not using an oil that actually complies and is also available?

Call it "Can't be bothered with the grief based on CJA's Track Record" insurance.

As posted previously, as soon as the Jeep is out of warranty I think the MS11106 can be dispensed with. Just use ACES C3 2010 (not 2008), MB 229.51 and something that is actually low SAPS and not mid SAPS as some of the oils are.
Away back at the beginning of this thread when an eagle eyed mamber spotted that the MS11106 had disappeared from a container of Shell Helix Ultra Extra, I tried to find out what the MS11106 related to, so I could make an informed decision.
All I could find out at the time (and from Shell), was that the test related to an ash residue measurement after oil was heated on a plate.
It is an extra manufacturers specification and likely that any number of full synthetic very low ash oils may pass, if they were submitted.

Personally I see this test and the approval as directly relevant to the VM CRD engine in my JGC.

The formula of Shell Helix Ultra Extra changed way back in 2012 and the confirmation Gr8Ness received from Shell that their product no longer carries the approval shows that there are differences in these quality oils.
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Re: CRD oil on special

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The formula of Shell Helix Ultra Extra changed way back in 2012 and the confirmation Gr8Ness received from Shell that their product no longer carries the approval shows that there are differences in these quality oils.
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Or perhaps Shell stopped paying for licence to quote the number?
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Re: CRD oil on special

I am seeking clarification from Nulon regarding their claim as being suitable when there is no mention of meeting Chrysler standard MS11106. As soon as I receive a response, I will share with all.
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Has anyone come across Nulon Oils? On the website it lists this oil (Full Synthetic 5W-30 Diesel Formula Long Life Engine Oil- Nulon Australia) for the MY14 JGC DTV6 engine.
Nulon may well be a fantastic oil. The problem with it is that they claim it "meets or exceeds" just about everything but when it comes to "approvals", there isn't much there. That doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence.

Regarding the warranty issue, my concern is the performance of the car. I couldn't give a flying f... about the warranty. According to the label on say the Nulon bottle, it is quite reasonable for average punter to assume it is suitable for the Jeep. If the dealer wants to dispute it, as he no doubt will to fob you off, the onus is on him to prove that the oil was unsuitable. He can't and he hasn't got a leg to stand on in court. The courts tend to favour the consumer. One just needs to stand ones ground.
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Re: CRD oil on special

I'd love to see a white paper on exactly what MS-11106 entails. Hang on... I'll just ring Jeep and get it...

Bwahahahaha :sly:

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Or perhaps Shell stopped paying for licence to quote the number?
At the time the advice from Shell was that they changed formulation.
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Yeah I shouldn't have joked about that Swampy... I did catch that detail on their response.

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Or perhaps Shell stopped paying for licence to quote the number?
Best I can do……..extract from one of the original posts in this thread…..

"The current (since Feb 2012) formulation for Helix Ultra Extra 5W-30 does not claim any formal ACEA specifications (including C2 & C3) or Chrysler MS-11106 specification (including some other OEM’s). There was a change from a formulation developed in XHVI (that carried an ACEA claim), to a new formulation in Yubase/PAO that uses a different additive.

At the moment, we don’t currently have a product on which we can claim Chrysler MS-11106.(To Claim MS-11106 you need to meet MB 229.51 + the TEOST test.)"

Don't even go down the track that the information from Shell notes the product doesn't meet ACEA C2 or C3!

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