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#1 ·
Well we now have over 7k on the clock now and the starting problem reappeared today after it was meant to be fixed last service.
Luckily my wife knows how to go through a lock-up cycle and it seems to work again.
This is starting to get annoying, this should not be happening.
For anyone who does not know what the problem is:
The car will start then stop after running for about 2 seconds. Nothing will keep the motor running. The only way I have got it working is to lock and leave the car with the key and then unlock and try it again.
It has happened about 5 times now, but this is the first since the service last month.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Well we now have over 7k on the clock now and the starting problem reappeared today after it was meant to be fixed last service.
Luckily my wife knows how to go through a lock-up cycle and it seems to work again.
This is starting to get annoying, this should not be happening.
For anyone who does not know what the problem is:
The car will start then stop after running for about 2 seconds. Nothing will keep the motor running. The only way I have got it working is to lock and leave the car with the key and then unlock and try it again.
It has happened about 5 times now, but this is the first since the service last month.
Yep I intermittantly have the same problem, got an earful from the wife the other day when it happened to her..... :slapfight: though the TSB seems to be about not starting it isn't about starting and not running!!!
 
#4 ·
If you mean tsb 08 025 12 then I don't think this is related, it cranks for aa second or 2 and then cuts out or a brain freeze than a non starter. It's happened twice with me.

The only way around it is as Enforcer suggests but I would add taking a few deep breaths and hope it doesn't happen when you're in a hurry, or in the rain or any other inconvenient time - oh wait that's right.......it shouldn't be happening at all!

It's on the list with the other at service time.
 
#5 ·
I expect the problem is related to the WIM, as Jeep did flash the car a month ago.
The biggest problem is that it is very intermittant and throws no error codes and shows no messages. I will contact Jeep au today and put in a formal request to fix as well as have a whinge about my dealer not communicating with me over my ACC replacement. I figure 2 calls to them is enough, it is about time they called me and followed up.
 
#8 ·
sounds like the built in immobilizer cutting in. Think enforcer is write, wim not detecting the key code properly, aloes the car to start then shuts it down. Crim thinks it is faulty. Moving away and then coming back the fob emits a new rolling code. WIM thinks its ok now the correct key is here and starts.
 
#9 ·
I wonder if this is something to do with radio interference. If as DH and Enforcer suggest that the WIM doesnt receive the key code correctly, then it could be either a weak signal or possibly a mobile phone interfering, or something else similar.

Are there any owners that dont use the start/stop button at all, and just use the FOB as a key in in the ignition node? I'm thinking of using it like this all the time as it's something i'm used to doing it. It's a habit from driving for 33 years, so less likely to forget it's there. I'm also curious to find out whether this problem can still occur if you start the car this way all the time.
 
#13 ·
I wonder if this is something to do with radio interference. If as DH and Enforcer suggest that the WIM doesnt receive the key code correctly, then it could be either a weak signal or possibly a mobile phone interfering, or something else similar.
interesting hypothesis
Suddenly had a flash back to my 97 JGC that would not recognise the remote/immobiliser when at chadstone shopping centre (Melbourne )
You could get into the car using the key but it would still take a lot of coaxing for the immobiliser to be disabled. Anecdotally this seemed to work best if depressed near the passenger footwell (tho we were stranded for about 20min one rainy evening). Jeep eventually replaced all the fobs.
We pick up our wk2 on sat. Fingers crossed!!
 
#11 ·
When we first got the car it cut out driving out of our driveway. It would not start and had the red security light on. I tried unlocking / locking a few times, but only disconnecting the battery did the trick. This is why everyone should have a 10mm spanner in their glovebox.
I have not had the security light stuck on again, this problem is different.
A reboot fixes most things, just ask anyone in IT.
 
#15 ·
This has happened to our CRD twice.

The Jeep was in at the dealer for warranty work yesterday and they applied TSB 024 that they say is the fix for this problem.

We will see how it goes.
 
#16 ·
Ours has not done it again, but when....if Jeep mosman ever get the special tool they need for the ACC, I will get them to apply the new fix while it is there.
 
#17 ·
They applied TSB 023 and 024 one was for charging, changed from 14.1v to14.4v.
The other they could not tell me what it was for.
Have not herd of the HEMI having start up issues.
 
#18 ·
This happened to me over the weekend. Car would start idle for a couple of seconds and then stall, but the oil light would remain on. I remembered reading in a thread about removing the dip stick and replacing it. Did this, car started and problem has not re-occured (yet). Was annoying as it was raining at the time. 10K service coming up soon, so this will be on the list for them to look at.
 
#19 ·
Where did you read about the dipstick ?
This is the first I have heard of this being a fix. I do not think my wife will accept that as an solution to this frustrating problem.
Ours has not done it since the update, so fingers crossed it is fixed.
 
#23 ·
Where did you read about the dipstick ?
This is the first I have heard of this being a fix. I do not think my wife will accept that as an solution to this frustrating problem.
Ours has not done it since the update, so fingers crossed it is fixed.

I read about the dipstick fix on the Caravaners Forum. If you are interested have a look at page 74 of the thread titled - new grand cherokee V6 diesel. I know that it makes no sense but if it gets you going, then until I get in for a service, I will use it. But what I really hope is that it doesn't happen again.
 
#21 ·
i did have this problem with the car starting and stopping ( I started a thread on it a few months back). I had one of the tsb's installed and havent had an issue since. Not sure if that is just pure luck or is an actual fix.

also - the reason why i was doing a search...has anyone had the issue where they start the jeep up and the radio just doesnt come on???
cheers
toothy
 
#26 ·
really - did the salesman happen to be in the car.... awkward moment if so.

yep, its a strange one. Jeeps can be funny like that (or so im told, as it is my first).

My wife texted me yesterday and said when she came back to the Jeep after going shopping, someone had stuck an Aust Jeep Owners mag on the windscreen - obviously an enthusiast. Classic. 'We find you!!!'.
 
#27 ·
Well actually, he's right. Mine has done it 3 times now, and no amount of locking and unlocking gets it going again. Or walking away and coming back, yada yada yada. The only way mine works is when i removed the dipstick and put it back in. ?????????????????

Is there a sensor in the vicinity of the dipstick perhaps?
 
#28 · (Edited)
Ours has just decided to do this....twice so far. 27000K
Once at the servo 10 days ago, when the wife was fueling it. Got a phone call to say that it started then stopped immediately - with the red oil light on. Asked her to try the 3 lock/unlock cycle - wouldn't turn over.
Got myself to the servo - got in, without my foot on the brake, cycled the ignition through acc, run and off - got the "press button etc to start" message and - yay - started immediately.
Good as gold for days.
Connected the van, drove 900k in 2 days to Cordeaux Dam back of Wollongong and after lunch started it and immediately shut down with the oil light on. Cycled the ignition again and started fine.
Now its 5 days later and not happened again.
Will check with a dealer in a day or so
John
 
#31 ·
Well we've arrived in Ballarat and moseyed up to the local dealer....described the fault.......mentioned to the desk man that I had been informed there was a TSB fix and immediately things went negative - NO there isn't!
Well can you check?
No I can't - we'll have to have the vehicle for the day and leave it up to the tech - then we'll see.
Booked it in for the first spot available - 1 week ahead!

Left the place muttering to myself - these guys have all the customer relationship skills of a cranky rottweiler. Hasn't improved my impression of Jeep dealers one iota.

So we'll see what happens - by the way it has immediately shut down after start a couple more times since the earlier episodes. Once the ignition has been cycled through it is able to be restarted - gotta be some sensor or software glitch.
 
#33 ·
Dont you just hate it when you hit a moose of a service desk guy who is too stubborn to even do their job?
Surely, that service guy could have requested you to supply him with the VIN, then look into the computer and check what TSB's were outstanding for your car.
 
#34 ·
Thanks Yoda and Allypally
in November the thing had a 20K service and I was told it was up to date with all available bulletins but we will see what happens when it goes in.
We are really happy with the vehicle but after our experiences so far with various service departments the confidence level isn't high that we will strike someone who cares and has the skills to sort a fix.
 
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