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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

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So if I can score a 2015 GC Ltd petrol (no QL) for under $57k WITH a mopar tow bar. Yoû think that's not a bad deal?
Sounds like a decent deal to me....

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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Good deal....


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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Sorry to pipe in late on this Matty.
I've done all the usual Qld beach locations several times in the GC.
Quadra lift is nice, but a 2inch lift on the steel springs would be just as good.
I think the stock height is definitely too low for the island tracks. My previous Jeep I didn't have lifted and it used to bottom out all the time on the tracks at Moreton and Fraser. With the Quadra lift I never have any problems.
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Great to hear another example of experiences and comparisons of the grand on sand thanks Brett. It's crazy that the QL is so hard to find in stock at dealerships. But for a mere 5% on top of the purchase price the relatively small outlay would make for a sound investment.
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

I ordered a Grand Cherokee LTD 3.0 lt diesel back in 2012
But in those days there was no trail hawks

So i ordered the vehicle with the Adventure Off Road 11 pack

This came with the Quadra Drive 2 4 x 4 system
All the factory fitted under body armor skid plates.
Up rated rear diff
Bigger rear axles
As well as ordering it with Quadra Air lift suspension.

Everything that the later trail hawks came with less the Mopar rock rails which i have fitted since
And the fancy badging and bonnet decals.

To me the grand is better then the cherokee. But it is personal choice.




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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Three months of reading these forums and all your helpful replies would suggest that the Diesel is a popular choice for many (possibly most) of you guys. The CRD also gets things like QDII that simply is not available for the 3.6 Petrol.

I was always a bit old fashioned when it came to my whole outlook on Diesels, but there's just so much popularity and hype for the 3.0l turbo diesels now...it has to be for a good reason?!

I realise the torque increases phenomenally (540+ Nm in the CRD), and I understand the extra $5 grand up front in addition to the extra servicing costs, but what worries me the most is the performance.

Before you jump down my throat, as I understand there's a LOT of CRD owners more than happy with the performance of their diesels, please bear with me.

I have come from a tuned turbo Subaru Forester XT that weighs about 600kg less than the grand. 0-100 times in the sub 7 seconds. So although not a traditional 'performance' car by any means, it was certainly pretty quick for a non-euro SUV.

I guess a test drive will tell, but should I expect a little less 'zippy' performance compared with the 3.6 Petrol GC. I swear I read on the weekend that the CRD had an 8.2sec 0-100, where the 3.6 petrol had 8.4secs - who would've thought?!

The fuel economy and longer times between tank fills are appealing with the CRD, as well as the low end torque could 'potentially' be better for boggy sand driving over the petrol.

But as we only do 10,000k's (mainly city driving) per year, I've read the diesels don't like lots of short trips.

Either way, I want to make sure I buy the jeep that suits our everyday driving needs, and not just for that 3-4 times per year trip.

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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

I was doing 6,000kms a year in the landcruiser diesel. I work from home. Looks like I'm on track for 10,000kms in the Jeep, its just better to drive, so i drive it more.

Most of my trips are 2-5mins to the shops or school run. And then I get out once a fortnight or so for a good long drive. I don't think diesels have a problem with short trips, but they do run more efficiently when at full running temps, so you may find short trips use a bit more fuel per km than longer trips.

The diesel can be a bit sluggish from a dead stop, but once you are moving the torque comes in at low revs, so you don't need to rev it out to get the power down like you do with petrols. Also the diesel comes with a higher rated transmission.

But getting into the diesel is going to push your price range up a bit, particularly if you then also go for ORA and QL.
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

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I have come from a tuned turbo Subaru Forester XT that weighs about 600kg less than the grand. 0-100 times in the sub 7 seconds. So although not a traditional 'performance' car by any means, it was certainly pretty quick for a non-euro SUV.
It will definitely feel sluggish compared to a tuned Foz, the MY14/MY15 CRD is roughly equivalent to a stocker Forester XT in the 0-100 dash.
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

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It will definitely feel sluggish compared to a tuned Foz, the MY14/MY15 CRD is roughly equivalent to a stocker Forester XT in the 0-100 dash.
Good to hear thanks Snake.

Yeah look I completely understand I'm looking at a very different vehicle (more capable for a start!), so I have lowered my expectations as far as how fast, light weight and nimble the Foz was during city driving.

I've now got about 5 test rides under my belt between the Cherokee and the GC, but always the 3.6 Petrol engine.

I think we should treat ourselves to a 6th test and take the CRD for a spin


...we might just be suprised!
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

You can chip the diesel too.....
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

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You can chip the diesel too.....
Yes I noticed a few posts about that. If it's only a few hundred than that would surely be one of the first things on the shopping list for the CRD.

Who knows choosing a CRD might open up available dealership stock options as well...but better not count my chickens just yet. Doubtful you'd ever find a CRD in the colour you want WITH ORAII and QL without a custom order.
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

When I was buying there were some limited CRD with ORA and QL available, but just not with the light frost interior. I had to wait for 5 months just for that.
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